How Quickly Are Teams Doomed?

Bowyer walked out he wasn’t sacked

 

Isn’t it more about what damage had been done to build their squads and what level of manoeuvre the new man can have?

It’s rare that a manager can pick up a poor squad and get big improvements. And many of the examples you have provided, the squads built by the managers/coaches being sacked, were poor.

 

Jeez, you never wrote this much for the flyby....I have to say I agree with Park, Bowyer walked after 1 game for personal reasons. But we need to keep a manager for more than 6 months at a time, we need to back him for the long term. Remember when we had Parky for a few years and laughed at L++day for Hockaday and others,,,,we have become that over the last year so we need to give him time.

 

Let’s hope we don’t have to be patient let’s hope we get off to a flier. There will be big changes in personnel and Bowyer has already got his feet under the table and knows exactly what he wants. There is no reason we can’t get of to a good start

 

It's a good question, stats above suggest the supposed new manager bounce is a bit of a myth. We've definitely not really experienced it recently in spite of all our managerial changes.

Wonder what would've happened this year if we'd stuck with Collins, couldn't have been much worse than what's happened!

 

I suppose that if the club realise they appointed the wrong man, it makes sense to get shut as soon as possible, even if the new man can’t make much of an impact until the next transfer window. It will at least allow the new boss plenty of time to assess their squad in preparation for that window.

And then, of course, you will get the occasional coach that is good enough to get something else from his new group of players. Rare, but it does happen occasionally. Hasenhutti at Southampton is one example, Steve Bruce at Villa being another. But as you point out, these are few and far between

 

We might have come bottom of the league .....

 

Fascinating stuff. I am wondering whether through gritting teeth we let the ‘sacked manager’ carry on it would turn around the fortunes of the team? After all it is his team and he must have had a plan? Everyone panics when the team start losing and they fear relegation, but there doesn’t appear to be any remedy other than sheer hard work.We have had three managers this season same result. Collins was sacked after 6 weeks, the Hopkin walked after months trying to get things moving, Bowyer had a few weeks with them, but we have still ended up relegated.

I am not in favour of sacking managers at the drop of a hat, it is disruptive to the whole squad. I think you have to choose your manager, and stick with him through the bad times in the hope he gets it right in the end. It is the choosing of the manager that requires some serious thought and whether they fit with the philosophy of the club. I am absolutely convinced it we had Hopkin or Bowyer at the start of the season we would not have been relegated.

 

The new manager bounce worked with Rochdale. They've shot up the league since Brian Barry-Murphy replaced Keith Hill.

 

Well the new manager bounce isn't a myth:

Ole at Utd
Bruce at Wednesday
Smith at Villa
Rodgers at Leicester
Southampton man.

The manager of a club knows he is judged on results and needs to get off to a good start of risks the sack.

It's football

 

Pity it didn’t keep working for Ole once he got the job

 

Ole is out of his depth at Utd.

He's a Collins appointment for them.

It's embarrassing how far they're behind City and Liverpool are are becoming a small club

 

I disagree that nobody turned their season around.

Villa have won 10 on the trot and are now in the play-offs.
Macclesfield looked doomed and now look likely to survive.
Wimbledon have lost 1 in 11 and look likely to survive, having looked doomed.
Southampton have improved and will stay up pretty comfortably.
Bristol Rovers have improved and will stay up pretty comfortably.

In a small number of cases it does work. Villa and Wimbledon have had huge improvements.

If you want to change the results, you have to change something. If you can't change the players (due to transfer window) then the Manager is next.

 

I do feel that players themselves do certain managers a massive disservice. Once the players cant be arsed a manager is done for, look at mourinho this year and to an extent mccall and grayson for us this year. Much easier to get rid of one mananger than 10 players.

Looking at this year, Bruce wasnt at working at villa, they wanted and got him out, the foreign bloke at wednesday couldnt buy a run of wins yet Bruce walks into wednesday and turns them around and had he took over hin December not February they could have been play off material.

Its catch 22 for an owner, i do think as mentioned above the tipping point is the players. If the team is split or individuals wont perform for a certain manager then thats when he has to go, rightly or wrongly

 

The owners have a massive influence as well on the running of the club and the amount of interference they insist on in football matters, They can put enormous pressure on managers

 

Ole has run into the same problems as the previous manager. Sometimes managers need to get to know the players before results come. Plus it is not all down to the manager, it depends on the balance of the squad, technical ability, and mentality.