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Home Learning (Schools)

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Frank Castle, Jan 5, 2021.

  1. Frank Castle

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    What a joke.

    The government expects primary school children to do 3 hours learning a day, 5 days a week, from home.

    When exactly are parents supposed to do that while working full time? Or maybe they're expecting Grandparents in their 60s and 70s to try and get a 6 year old to do 3 hours work a day? Meanwhile those in school are doing 6 hours a day, full curriculum with experienced, qualified teachers.

    The gap between key worker / vulnerable children and homeschooled children is going to be huge by the time they go back.
     
  2. SimonW

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    So what exactly are you wanting them to do? They wanted to keep schools open but the teachers union were the ones pushing to shut them.

    Really kids should be going to school but parents of these kids should be on complete lockdown so only the kids and the parents have a chance of spreading it. If one of the parents is a key worker then they should be living away from the home until things are over to prevent any spreading from the schools into the wider population
     
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  3. Storck

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    Are you suggesting all key workers should be put up in hotels away from their families?
     
  4. Storck

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    Are kids in school getting a full curriculum? I know of a number of schools that have such small numbers that year groups are combined so the dedicated teacher time is less than usual as they are looking after/teaching mixed year groups.
     
  5. NorthernMonkey

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    You want me to live away from my kids just so I can continue working? Are you for real?

    I'm assuming you don't have your own family or there's no way you would even suggest that.
     
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  6. Frank Castle

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    During the lockdown in March the curriculum was suspended, this time it has not been. The three schools that I know of are all carrying on as normal, key worker children have to go in full time and will be taught the curriculum by their own teacher.
     
  7. Frank Castle

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    They should have kept the fooking schools open and asked the elderly and vulnerable to shield.

    You do realise that according to one leading group, around 30% of adults in the UK are classed as key workers? What you're suggesting is ridiculous.
     
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  8. Campbell's soup

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    Stop talking sense. Elderly and vulnerable shield, never heard anything so daft. Let’s feck up our kids futures so some great grandma or grandad who’ve only gotten a few months left of breath can enjoy their last moments.
     
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  9. Aaron Baker

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    What's the percentage of adults that are over 70 and or/vulnerable? I bet it won't be far off the 30% figure either.
     
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  10. Storck

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    totally agree, here is the English list of critical workers


    Critical workers
    Parents whose work is critical to the coronavirus (COVID-19) and EU transition response include those who work in health and social care and in other key sectors outlined in the following sections. Children with at least one parent or carer who is a critical worker can go to school or college if required.

    Health and social care
    This includes, but is not limited to, doctors, nurses, midwives, paramedics, social workers, care workers, and other frontline health and social care staff including volunteers; the support and specialist staff required to maintain the UK’s health and social care sector; those working as part of the health and social care supply chain, including producers and distributors of medicines and medical and personal protective equipment.

    Education and childcare
    This includes:

    • childcare
    • support and teaching staff
    • social workers
    • specialist education professionals who must remain active during the coronavirus (COVID-19) response to deliver this approach
    Key public services
    This includes:

    • those essential to the running of the justice system
    • religious staff
    • charities and workers delivering key frontline services
    • those responsible for the management of the deceased
    • journalists and broadcasters who are providing public service broadcasting
    Local and national government
    This only includes those administrative occupations essential to the effective delivery of:

    • the coronavirus (COVID-19) response, and the delivery of and response to EU transition
    • essential public services, such as the payment of benefits and the certification or checking of goods for import and export (including animal products, animals, plants and food), including in government agencies and arms length bodies
    Food and other necessary goods
    This includes those involved in food:

    • production
    • processing
    • distribution
    • sale and delivery
    • as well as those essential to the provision of other key goods (for example hygienic and veterinary medicines)
    Public safety and national security
    This includes:

    • police and support staff
    • Ministry of Defence civilians
    • contractor and armed forces personnel (those critical to the delivery of key defence and national security outputs and essential to the response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak and EU transition)
    • fire and rescue service employees (including support staff)
    • National Crime Agency staff
    • those maintaining border security, prison and probation staff and other national security roles, including those overseas
    Transport and border
    This includes those who will keep the air, water, road and rail passenger and freight transport modes operating during the coronavirus (COVID-19) response and EU transition, including those working on transport systems through which supply chains pass and those constructing or supporting the operation of critical transport and border infrastructure through which supply chains pass.

    Utilities, communication and financial services
    This includes:

    • staff needed for essential financial services provision (including but not limited to workers in banks, building societies and financial market infrastructure)
    • the oil, gas, electricity and water sectors (including sewerage)
    • information technology and data infrastructure sector and primary industry supplies to continue during the coronavirus (COVID-19) response
    • key staff working in the civil nuclear, chemicals, telecommunications (including but not limited to network operations, field engineering, call centre staff, IT and data infrastructure, 999 and 111 critical services)
    • postal services and delivery
    • payments providers
    • waste disposal sectors
     
  11. Storck

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    so you are telling me each year group have their own teacher just for them in the classroom? Even those with just one child? Who is looking after the online side of things if all the teachers are still teaching in class full time?
     
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  13. SimonW

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    I know it’s extreme but by not doing that it’s screwing up the education system for years. Not only are we going to have a second year of teachers having to predict grades, something they have consistently shown they are unable to do accurately (only about 40% of predicted grades are actually achieved) but they are likely to have to dumb down exams for the next 10-15 years. It’s a sacrifice people have to make for the long term good for the county.

    Oh and there are plenty of jobs even without COVID see parents having to be away from their family for months on end so what’s makes you special that it’s something you shouldn’t be expected to do in a crisis?
     
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  14. SimonW

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    Not all would need to be. Mainly just those who have kids. It’s people whose households have multiple points where they could get it and then spread it. There are also potentially some jobs where social distancing basically means the chance of cross contamination is very low, for example some delivery people but anything which sees continued exposure to people where social distancing is hard to maintain would need to
     
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  15. NorthernMonkey

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    Your reply is that bizarre that I honestly can't work out if you're being serious or not?

    I've no idea on how I should even begin to reply to something that to me just makes no sense whatsoever.
     
  16. Frank Castle

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    The schools I'm talking about are 2 form entry. The numbers of key worker children going to school this lockdown is far higher than in March. For example my 5 year old nephew had 17 in his class yesterday, all were reception children. My son's class (at a different school) in year one has 23.
     
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  17. Idlebantam

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    That's a very bizarre suggestion from one of our usually more sensible posters on here.

    Where the hell are these key worker parents going to live? What if both parents are key workers?
     
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  18. SimonW

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    If both parents are key workers it gets more complicated for sure but for those of just a single keyworker its really not all that complex. Something you saw in the US with people like healthcare workers is those who didn't want to potentially infect their family they would move in with another colleague or the empty hotels/motels/rentals etc would be set up as bubbles for key workers allowing them to isolate out of work (which are donated for this use seeing as they can't have guests in them).

    Ofc it probably wouldn't work here because sadly keyworkers often think they are above the law, you see those working in hospitals who are off work in self-isolation having people over or going out all day potentially infecting others as sadly that seems to be the way of this country, demand things are done but then refuse to follow guidelines

    It's a few months hardship though to try not screw over the education system for at least the next decade
     
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  19. SimonW

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    Bizarre how? Do you disagree that by not having kids at school that it's going to have a negative impact on this countries education system for the next decade or more? You can't think that it's a bad thing for kids to have to be homeschooled but also think it has no long-lasting impact on the kids' education.

    The simple fact is that even with good parents who ensure their kids get an amazing level of teaching at home they are going to find themselves losing time that they will NEVER make up. It's a small sacrifice on the parts of teachers to leave their family for a couple of months, the same kind of sacrifice the likes of Soldiers, Rig workers etc have to make on a regular basis.
     
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  20. Idlebantam

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    Sorry Simon, but I think a child missing not living or seeing one of their parents is more damaging than missing out on a few weeks of education
     
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