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  1. Rogered Tart

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    Both parties are as bad as each other. Funny thing is the amount of folk who get into an agenda driven outrage over it, almost like their chosen party is squeaky clean. Wake up people, don't believe everything you are spoonfed.
     
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  2. SimonW

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    The problem is you then have the precedent I mentioned above. A team is losing so they just walk off and claim they were being racially abused. It would be a despicable thing to do but a lot of dispacable acts happen in football because winning games is worth so much at all levels. It's why as I said in my first post I don't think they have a choice but kick them out for walking off as to be fair and prevent abuse it needs it has to be a neutral party making such a decision
     
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  3. SimonW

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    It's opening a whole can of worms doing this. If you are losing either the fans can start shouting racial abuse or the players just make up a false claim.

    They should have fallowed the rules but used it as a driving force to put in formal rules on how it should be dealt with rather than have teams take it into their own hands
     
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  4. Rogered Tart

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    Sad really that all this political bickering has overshadowed the real things that should matter in this election campaign. Maybe after this election, whoever wins, they can start to concentrate on the future of this country.Honestly, the stuff i've seen recently has actually made me laugh out loud, that Tory bloke getting 'punched' and then the 'young kid on the hospital floor'. Both better stage managed than a WWE championship bout. Never known politics in this country to be as bad as it has been recently, quite embarrassing really.
     
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  5. Rogered Tart

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    Oh come on, if you don't think that was stage managed i give you far too much credit. 3 days before an election? Now i might be cynical but i certainly ain't naive.
     
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    WAKE UP SHEEPLE.
     
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    They can't do anything but kick Haringey out if it was their choice and not the refs due to the precedent it then sets. It's why there was the procedure that was followed at the England match so it was clear and there was no possibility in future of it being abused
     
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    Previously they fined Padiham, https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/10/padliham-congleton-non-league-fined-leaving-pitch-racist-abuse-fans

    But that hasn’t gone down well and if they do the same again they will get some abuse from the media.

    As I said, FA can not win here
     
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    The worst thing they could do is probably your idea of playing it behind closed doors. They most likely have had to refund the fans for it being abandoned so Haringey will already be out of pocket, a behind closed doors match is just going to double down on that. A match like this against a relatively big club should be one that even losing secures the club for the year but this and having to replay it behind closed doors might have the opposite outcome.

    The FA should probably just say the result as it was stands, we will waive the fine for walking off but we are drawing a line in the sand and from now on you will follow a set procedure rather than walking off on your own back
     
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    I have no idea about the comparative size of either club just think if they go with your suggestion it will still look like the they are being punished.
     
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    Alternatively they could order a replay
     
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    There is a danger that fans can decide the result or who wins a fixture, Losing a game? A few racist chants and the game is saved, Clubs that suffer fans that chant racist garbage should be enforced to implement a membership scheme for away for either home games, travel or both and the sale of tickets with offences or breaches a criminal offence much like Thatchers proposals that stopped the mass fighting and violence at games and cleaned the game up
     
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    Think that's the only way the FA could come out of this not looking like the bad guy. If they follow the rules and kick Haringey out there'll be hell on by Kick It Out and the likes moaning, or if they kick Yeovil out for the abuse that opens a whole new can of worms.
     
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    What would you have suggested? I'd imagine whichever way the FA went they would have had flak from one side so the result seemed about the most sensible option.
     
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    I would have followed the rules and kicked Haringey out, something they were ok with happening. I would have waived the normal fine mind you and then used this as a chance to put some actual procedures in place so teams knew what they were to do if they were being abused so such a situation couldn't happen again.

    After all not only has this cost Haringey an amount that at the end of the day could be a real difference between the club surviving or folding at the level they play at but it's created a real mess as the precedent is now that players could cry wolf when losing and walk off the pitch knowing the match will be replayed (Reverse it for example and if Yeovil were losing it would be win-win for them to have walked off and said they were being racially abused even if they weren't) or the fans see it as a way to save their club from a loss and racially abuse their own players (especially at lower levels where fan segregation is less of a thing so you could make it look like it was the other sides fans). What they have done is take a messy situation and just make it even worse.
     
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    Or players, we know with head injuries players abuse it, surely a player or as you say a fan would try to influence a game.
     
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    Yes, of course I remember that. I'm not suggesting that racism at football is anything like as bad as it was then. But there has clearly been an increase in racist abuse and incidents since the referendum, both in football and in the country generally. I believe that it has created a climate in which people with racist attitudes feel less constrained about voicing them publicly and that Johnson's language also has the same effect.
    I'm not saying that Brexit or Johnson are making people racist, but that they are making racists more confident to act out their prejudices in public.
     
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  19. WilsdenBantam

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    Whilst it maybe true, Nevilles comments and those similar are unhelpful imo. All it does is detract Blake from the perpetrator and stick it on an individual higher up, individuals need to be held accountable for their own actions otherwise they’ll never learn. If the bloke came out and said I did it because Brexit, Trump or Johnson made me think it’s acceptable it doesn’t wash, he’s an adult who’s always had these views.
     
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    Wow! I have never heard in my entire life anything anti-semitic, yet can read umpteen horrendous recent and very recent phrases from labour members. Maybe I was just lucky? I doubt it.
     
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