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Haringey Match abandoned after racist abuse

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Storck, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. Storck

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    Looks like a team have walked off during the last qualifying round of the FA Cup.

    Haringey Borough’s manager took his team off after their keeper was spat at and had a bottle thrown at him during a penalty and then another of his players had racist abuse shouted at him by a small section of the visiting Yeovil fans.

    Not sure what was reported to the ref before they took the players off but from the early reports it looks like the manager made the decision rather than letting the ref handle it.

    Can not see how the FA can come out of this looking good. If they punish Haringey they will be accused of punishing the team who had abuse thrown at them but if they don’t they are allowing teams to ignore the rules and do as they wish.

    Best bet would be a replay behind closed doors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50111754
     
  2. SimonW

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    They can't do anything but kick Haringey out if it was their choice and not the refs due to the precedent it then sets. It's why there was the procedure that was followed at the England match so it was clear and there was no possibility in future of it being abused
     
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    Previously they fined Padiham, https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/10/padliham-congleton-non-league-fined-leaving-pitch-racist-abuse-fans

    But that hasn’t gone down well and if they do the same again they will get some abuse from the media.

    As I said, FA can not win here
     
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    The worst thing they could do is probably your idea of playing it behind closed doors. They most likely have had to refund the fans for it being abandoned so Haringey will already be out of pocket, a behind closed doors match is just going to double down on that. A match like this against a relatively big club should be one that even losing secures the club for the year but this and having to replay it behind closed doors might have the opposite outcome.

    The FA should probably just say the result as it was stands, we will waive the fine for walking off but we are drawing a line in the sand and from now on you will follow a set procedure rather than walking off on your own back
     
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    I have no idea about the comparative size of either club just think if they go with your suggestion it will still look like the they are being punished.
     
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    Haringey play in the Isthmian Prem which is 2 levels below the National League that Yeovil are in and obviously they have been in the football league and even reached the Championship a few years back. So its a pretty big difference.

    And I would say its better to be seen as punishing them than actually punishing them and putting the club at risk. Better to play the bad guy for this than being seen as killing a club (and opening themselves up to clubs trying to exploit it in future)
     
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    Alternatively they could order a replay
     
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    The problem is you then have the precedent I mentioned above. A team is losing so they just walk off and claim they were being racially abused. It would be a despicable thing to do but a lot of dispacable acts happen in football because winning games is worth so much at all levels. It's why as I said in my first post I don't think they have a choice but kick them out for walking off as to be fair and prevent abuse it needs it has to be a neutral party making such a decision
     
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    I totally get where you are coming and agree that following the rules that is what should happen, but I just can not see them having the balls to actually do it
     
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    There is a danger that fans can decide the result or who wins a fixture, Losing a game? A few racist chants and the game is saved, Clubs that suffer fans that chant racist garbage should be enforced to implement a membership scheme for away for either home games, travel or both and the sale of tickets with offences or breaches a criminal offence much like Thatchers proposals that stopped the mass fighting and violence at games and cleaned the game up
     
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    As much as it’s understandable to walk off it simply isn’t the right thing to do.

    The perpetrators need to be caught, heavily punished, fined and banned and move on.

    Keep hurting them with high technology and heavy fines it’ll soon stop, without the need for teams to walk off.
     
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    Think that's the only way the FA could come out of this not looking like the bad guy. If they follow the rules and kick Haringey out there'll be hell on by Kick It Out and the likes moaning, or if they kick Yeovil out for the abuse that opens a whole new can of worms.
     
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    It's opening a whole can of worms doing this. If you are losing either the fans can start shouting racial abuse or the players just make up a false claim.

    They should have fallowed the rules but used it as a driving force to put in formal rules on how it should be dealt with rather than have teams take it into their own hands
     
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    Match replayed tonight with Yeovil winning 3-0
     
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    All while costing Haringey £5,000 to put in an away fans Toilet block to try and prevent further racist abuse and that's before all the extra security and the fact that an evening match automatically costs more. As the chairman said rather than making money from an FA Cup tie they are losing money. They really would have been better off being kicked out as the rules state. Let's just hope its not such a big loss for them that they go the way of Bury as the FA is going to look stupid if by trying to go for the positive PR option rather than following the rules they kill the club
     
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    What would you have suggested? I'd imagine whichever way the FA went they would have had flak from one side so the result seemed about the most sensible option.
     
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    I would have followed the rules and kicked Haringey out, something they were ok with happening. I would have waived the normal fine mind you and then used this as a chance to put some actual procedures in place so teams knew what they were to do if they were being abused so such a situation couldn't happen again.

    After all not only has this cost Haringey an amount that at the end of the day could be a real difference between the club surviving or folding at the level they play at but it's created a real mess as the precedent is now that players could cry wolf when losing and walk off the pitch knowing the match will be replayed (Reverse it for example and if Yeovil were losing it would be win-win for them to have walked off and said they were being racially abused even if they weren't) or the fans see it as a way to save their club from a loss and racially abuse their own players (especially at lower levels where fan segregation is less of a thing so you could make it look like it was the other sides fans). What they have done is take a messy situation and just make it even worse.
     
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    I'm not sure about waiving the fine, it may well be a standard figure and they were powerless to waive it if they'd gave kicked them out. We've certainly seen similar spineless events from the FA in modern times.

    I certainly agree with all of your points about walking off though, I'm far from sure it will have the desired impact anyway and in the end it only really harms the fans. Especially those who have travelled long distances up and down the country of even abroad.

    I was more asking what ideas you had about procedures you'd put in place. It's a difficult and sensitive subject and people's answers on this vary wildly which obviously suggests there aren't any easy answers.
     
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    Or players, we know with head injuries players abuse it, surely a player or as you say a fan would try to influence a game.
     
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