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Gary megson firmly in contention

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by south york bantams, May 13, 2018.

  1. Here's Johnny

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    Thing with Kammy and Jewell was they both had something about them. Kammy had a good career and was a 100%er for who ever he played for and had Character. Jewell didn't make it at Liverpool but had a decent career and a link to the old Liverpool mentality.

    I sadly agree that our owners are jokers, for me they are in the last chance saloon. I can't believe they are unintelligent people but when it comes to English league 1 football they are way off beam.

    They wouldn't employ a Kammy or Jewell because Edin especially thinks he knows best.
     
  2. banbrotam

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    Is it a bottom half budget? I thought it was a top half mid table at worst. But do you think a good manager is put off by having a grand less to spend on wages than our rivals?

    We've seen a top six budget, in Charlton. I'm still waiting to see them actually play like a club that's spent a lot on wages
     
  3. Fordy117

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    That's my point. Grayson turned us down.

    Megson is no front runner for me.
     
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  4. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    I'm pretty sure a mid table budget and a goal of promotion is unrealistic. That put Grayson off and will put others off.

    As a Manager, you've got to have the tools to do the job.

    If I went for a Managerial job and all my staff were on low salaries, I'd know the job was going to be tough. I'm going to struggle to recruit the right calibre and those I improve will soon leave as they can get more money elsewhere.
     
  5. banbrotam

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    As a Manager myself, I can assure you that very few people are motivated purely by their salary

    Of course if you're getting half of what the average is, then yes it's a problem

    But there will little difference between ours and say the 6th best. In that case doesn't the thought of managing a team with a big crowd, that has a high reputation for its away support?

    If it's that simple, where were MK Dons and Bury? And how come we were in the top seven for three seasons, without a top seven budget
     
  6. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    If you're a footballer with a 12 year career you've got to make the most of it. Clearly salary is very important.

    We won't pay the going rate for top end of league 1 players.

    A little research will give you plenty of evidence, that makes it clear that the bigger the budget, the higher the finishing league position, as a general rule.

    Kevin Pullein has done a lot if articles on this subject in the Racing Post.

    Mid table budget will usually mean mid table finish.

    Several years ago, Stuart turned down the Sheff Utd job as it was a mid table budget and Stuart knew that 20,000 fans wouldn't accept that.

    Why would a Manager put his reputation on the line with a mid table budget and promotion expectations?
     
  7. Petrov

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    Exactly. If I was a football manager and I was offered the opportunity to manage a league 1 club that gets big crowds but only has a mid table budget, or a club that has small crowds but a top 6 budget, I'd choose the first option every time. At this level especially, it isn't necessarily about having the biggest budget but is more about spending it wisely and as a manager, having belief in yourself that you can bring the best out in your players.
     
  8. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    I think you're being very naive. The budget is crucial to a football Manager.

    There's a reason why Parky wanted every last penny in the first team budget. He wanted better players!
     
  9. Petrov

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    I'm not being naive, I'm stating what my preference would be if I was a football manager and I was faced with those two choices. Apart from the likes of your Wigans and Blackburns, this league is a pretty even playing field and there is really nothing to fear for a manager confident in their abilities and wise in the transfer market.
     
  10. JonButterfield

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    I would choose the smaller club.

    It's always going to look more impressive to the average fan to get Scunthorpe promoted rather than Bradford.

    Even though it would be clearly be easier to get them up.
     
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  11. Dubai bantam

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    I watch us every week, Home and away on I follow without fail so don’t come on here lauding it like I have no knowledge on the football we play when the fact is I’ve probably seen us play more than you have this season. I just don’t agree with you. Most of the criteria above can be achieved by an experienced manager. Attacking football (yet not defensively naive) vast connections in the game comes with experience, and if your experienced it doesn’t suddenly mean you have no ambition either. How do you know that some rookie is “an up and coming” manager. They might just turn out to be dog turd. I’d rather have someone in that’s been and done it and we know what we’re getting. It’s not right at this stage to gamble with the clubs future, especially with the apparent instability going on. As for the chairmen not wanting to be told, they NEED to be told and need reigning in. They are rookies too. An experienced football head is very much needed.
     
  12. RookieRooster

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    I'd rather have Benito Carbone or Mark Bower as out next manager then Gary Megson.
     
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  13. pns1945

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    To succeed, we need a Manager/Coach whatever, who can get the best out of Rahic and Rupp.
     
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  14. Mike Hunt

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    Whilst money may not always be a motivating factor, it is a demotivating one if you know you’re not getting the going rate. Pay some one fairly and the rest of the job is easier. If they think they’re being ripped off or they can do the same job elsewhere for more money then disengagement sets in. This is especially the case at the lower end of the pay scales. Like it or not, the quoted average of £1625 a week at City is a decent wage for a working man or woman, but isn’t a lot when the players know other clubs offering much more than that.
     
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    Coaching style
    Darren Huckerby criticised Megson's coaching style, when explaining why he chose to sign for Norwich City, instead of Megson's West Bromwich Albion. "I told him I didn't like the way he coached, I didn't like the way he shouted at his players and didn't like the way he treated seasoned professionals like 15-year-olds. I was just being honest with him. I said: 'I've seen you on the sidelines and you look like a crazed animal'"
     
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  16. EdwinB

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    Cotterill and Megson. No no no !!!!
     
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    Holloway
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  18. banbrotam

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    But Parky's budget was still only upper mid-table, I think once it was 8th

    Yet, we finished up 7th and then 5th

    You're making out the budget to be the main difference. For Top 6 in The Premiership of course it is. For any recent or newly relegated clubs from The Championship - again it will make a difference

    But we've usually around 20 other clubs, where even the one with the best budget won't be a million miles away from ours
     
  19. Ricc

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    but, under the previous regime, if a manager was given the 12th highest budget in the league, he wouldn't be sacked when we only managed to finish 11th, or 12th.

    under the current owners he would be.
     
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  20. banbrotam

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    If he'd lost 9 out of 10, he would only have been saved if this was our first season back and we'd started well, i.e. Parky Winter 2014.

    Let's not pretend that the previous owners, were some nice chaps who backed their managers no matter what. They rightly backed PP, but when we had bad spells he actually looked like he knew how to get out of them - as he's just demonstrated at Bolton
     

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