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  1. Ulysses S Grant

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    Absolutely not. The furlough scheme was a job retention scheme aimed at companies who would potentially have to make employees redundant without financial help. How can a club that has paid transfer fees morally justify using govt funds to pay employees over the summer.

    Every penny the govt saves on not paying furlough to companies that just don't need it but treat it as a bonus, is money that can be given yo nurses
     
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    The Government has a £350 million a week slopping around now, that could be used towards paying frontline health staff!

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  3. Storck

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    If only there was a thread to discuss the NHS pay deal.
     
  4. NorthernMonkey

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    Morally no. But since when has football ever been about morals?

    Even the PL clubs furloughed some matchday staff last year, that's how low the billionaires in the sport will sink.
     
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    NO! NO! NO.

    I think it is a disgrace if Bradford City did this.

    Rupp can afford to put his hands in his pocket and pay his staff if needs be.
     
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    Why should he? Serious question. Through no fault of his own, his business has had its revenue cut off but been forced to continue trading. Why should Rupp bear the cost? Because he can? That's a very slippery slope if you ask me.
     
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    Looking at this again. £350 million a week x 52 = £18,200 million. There are almost 1.5 million people, including nurses, midwives and health assistants, working for the NHS across the UK.
    So £18,200 million divided by 1.5 million = a flat rate potential of £12,133 or each employee!
    Remember that the Government allocated £22,000,000,000 for Trace and Track for companies including Serco! On a smaller scale, they secured a £50 million contract for ‘useless’ PPE!

    So paying health care workers (I go further than limiting it to nurses, which doesn’t recognise the complexities of supporting patients) or even football clubs to Furlough staff, should be well within the ‘whit’ of this Government!


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    And people who have worked 18 hour days behind the scenes to make sure the vaccination programme is a success, ensuring the right supply in the right place? Just as valuable to all of us surely?
     
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    Furloughed football players - NO
    pay rise for NHS workers - NO
    Do firefighters get a rise when the run into burning buildings - NO
    Do soldiers get a rise when they go to war - NO
    Have millions of people lost their jobs, houses, businesses, relationships - YES

    This pandemic is not all about the NHS!!!!
     
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    definately not. the scheme is not meant for this.
    we have a weeks shut down for easter at work, should all the staff be furloughed to save the company money, no way and who picks up the tab, the tax payers of this country.
     
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  11. Storck

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    I think they will look into it. If they have already used the schemes for other staff then they will have everything set up and who would know?

    As long as they are not doing anything illegal and follow the rules I don’t have an issue with it. It would be like not using a tax rebate scheme that was on offer
     
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  12. Ulysses S Grant

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    Has it though? Look at the ifollow sales for away matches. We are getting near on £20k a match and thats extra revenue that would only be covered in normality by an extra 1,000 on the home gate from walk ups.
     
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    Agree, but there's £350m from Brexit that is to be spent on the NHS, right? I mean they said so on a bus. It must be true.
    *Edit. Posted before I saw BigRods bus post.
     
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    You make some good points to be fair but it just somehow feels wrong that my tax contribution is most likely being upped so multi millionaires like Rupp can save a few quid.
     
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    Even if this parsimonious Government will not give a % based pay rise, then the very least they could do is to give all NHS staff a ‘one off’ Covid-19 Bonus payment. Say a flat £1,000 per person irrespective of grade/job etc.
    According to the NHS own website then the NHS, has 1,169,045 FTE in July 2020. This is 6.4% (69,901) more than in July 2019. Given that a number work part time I assume the figure equates to the 1,319,932 Headcount in July 2020. https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/nhs-workforce-statistics/july-2020

    So going back to the bus and the figures which helped some people of £350000000 then it is the equivalent of about 3 days money to the EU. Following Brexit, then surely this Government could recognise and reward NHS staff.

    Here it is again!
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    I guess that if the system allows organisations to ‘Furlough’ staff, and if is within the rules, then it really doesn’t matter what we think of the ethics. The EFL and the FA are the governing bodies, they could also express a view. If one club does it, then others could well follow.
     
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    Edited for you.
    But it won't be.
     
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  17. Faithful Bantam

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    Its not a like for like comparison though. And the criteria of having to make employees redundant without financial help, very much applies to the circumstances of lower league football. Transfer fees, you could argue, are a cost of trading in football, just as other industries have to buy 'assets'.

    The economy is several billion in the hole. Lower league football clubs using this scheme won't make a jot of difference to what nurses get paid. And what if fans aren't allowed back, in full next season? Palatable or not, I think we need to look at every mechanism available to us to safeguard the financial security of the club
     
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  18. Storck

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    which is spread over a number of years and also with completely new contracts and changes to terms and conditions. It also includes changing loads of different contracts etc into one and is an average rather than for everyone
     
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  19. Tony Wilkinson

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    Get real, it's been spent many many times over already on yes the NHS....
     
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  20. Aaron Baker

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    I don't think that's a bad idea if I'm honest although some will actually be more deserving of it than others. My daughter is a midwife and her department has been no more busy than usual obviously.

    What's the total cost of that? One off payment of ~£1.5bn in total? Is my maths right? Even ignoring the bus which was both a disingenuous claim and also already been spent many times over that's still a chunky sum though.

    You can be damn sure that if they offered a grand bonus the unions and Kier would say it wasn't enough anyway.
     
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