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Furlough

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Faithful Bantam, Mar 7, 2021.

  1. Faithful Bantam

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    Bit of a random thought, but when the season ends we'll have 4-6 weeks of the players being on their holidays. With the furlough scheme extended, I'm assuming that we'd have the option of furloughing players over the summer break?

    Should we do that? The clubs taken a hefty financial hit this year and a month of furlough would presumably save us a 6 figure sum. I'd imagine plenty of clubs will do it....
     
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  2. Kevin1954

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    Personally I’d say if they are on a contract then no, however a team near me in the National League are on the verge of collapse. Good crowds and a recent promotion. The Gov thinks football is ok because the four divisions are functioning. Grass roots footy is in serious trouble, imho.
     
  3. NorthernMonkey

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    Morally no. But since when has football ever been about morals?

    Even the PL clubs furloughed some matchday staff last year, that's how low the billionaires in the sport will sink.
     
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    definately not. the scheme is not meant for this.
    we have a weeks shut down for easter at work, should all the staff be furloughed to save the company money, no way and who picks up the tab, the tax payers of this country.
     
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  5. Storck

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    All depends on what you are paid whilst on shut down. Does it use your holiday entitlement? If so then no. If it doesn’t effect your holidays then I’d guess the company probably will look at it and see if it is worth the time and paperwork
     
  6. Storck

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    I think they will look into it. If they have already used the schemes for other staff then they will have everything set up and who would know?

    As long as they are not doing anything illegal and follow the rules I don’t have an issue with it. It would be like not using a tax rebate scheme that was on offer
     
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  7. andyc

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    Yes it is holiday entitlement, but there is nothing stopping the company claiming it as furlough. The end of the season , is the players holiday period , so as i said , no. Too many businesses have abused the system apparently.
     
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  9. Fordy117

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    NO! NO! NO.

    I think it is a disgrace if Bradford City did this.

    Rupp can afford to put his hands in his pocket and pay his staff if needs be.
     
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  10. Faithful Bantam

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    Isn't this EXACTLY what the scheme was meant for? To provide financial support to businesses who've been forced to cut off their revenue source? Why should football be different?

    The example of Mega rich PL clubs furlouhing back office staff, stank, I agree. But at this level is it even morally wrong? As I say, why should football be less entitled to use the scheme than other industries. At this level, the main revenue source is matchday attendance and the ancillary revenue that comes with it. Thats been completely cut off, but clubs have been 'forced' to continue playing. Mainly for the morale of the public, but still at a time of a pandemic. And you're talking about an illness that could have serious consequences for a footballer, should they incur permanent lung damage. Where's the morality in that?

    I don't see that it'd be wrong. But either way, the game needs to make some sort of decision, as having a situation where some clubs do and some clubs don't use the scheme, wouldn't be fair or moral either.
     
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  11. Faithful Bantam

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    Why should he? Serious question. Through no fault of his own, his business has had its revenue cut off but been forced to continue trading. Why should Rupp bear the cost? Because he can? That's a very slippery slope if you ask me.
     
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  12. Fordy117

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    I just think now with what 6 months that the club needs to do the right thing and cover any costs.

    Putting the costs on the tax payer then make out Bradford as a city is poor is just wrong!

    Lets not forget EFL clubs have PL support money available to them.
     
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  13. Ulysses S Grant

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    Absolutely not. The furlough scheme was a job retention scheme aimed at companies who would potentially have to make employees redundant without financial help. How can a club that has paid transfer fees morally justify using govt funds to pay employees over the summer.

    Every penny the govt saves on not paying furlough to companies that just don't need it but treat it as a bonus, is money that can be given yo nurses
     
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    Edited for you.
    But it won't be.
     
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  15. Ulysses S Grant

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    Has it though? Look at the ifollow sales for away matches. We are getting near on £20k a match and thats extra revenue that would only be covered in normality by an extra 1,000 on the home gate from walk ups.
     
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  16. Bigrod

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    The Government has a £350 million a week slopping around now, that could be used towards paying frontline health staff!

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  17. Faithful Bantam

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    Its not a like for like comparison though. And the criteria of having to make employees redundant without financial help, very much applies to the circumstances of lower league football. Transfer fees, you could argue, are a cost of trading in football, just as other industries have to buy 'assets'.

    The economy is several billion in the hole. Lower league football clubs using this scheme won't make a jot of difference to what nurses get paid. And what if fans aren't allowed back, in full next season? Palatable or not, I think we need to look at every mechanism available to us to safeguard the financial security of the club
     
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  18. Faithful Bantam

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    According to Sparks recent interview, the club expects to incur a revenue hit of somewhere around a million quid this season.
     
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    The player's wont be furloughed they will be too busy getting ready for league 1
     
  20. Bigrod

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    Looking at this again. £350 million a week x 52 = £18,200 million. There are almost 1.5 million people, including nurses, midwives and health assistants, working for the NHS across the UK.
    So £18,200 million divided by 1.5 million = a flat rate potential of £12,133 or each employee!
    Remember that the Government allocated £22,000,000,000 for Trace and Track for companies including Serco! On a smaller scale, they secured a £50 million contract for ‘useless’ PPE!

    So paying health care workers (I go further than limiting it to nurses, which doesn’t recognise the complexities of supporting patients) or even football clubs to Furlough staff, should be well within the ‘whit’ of this Government!


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