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  1. Rogered Tart

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    Because Levy is ruthless. Hence the comment regarding Poch's sacking. Spurs are probably the club to benefit most from being invited to a super league. They spend less than anybody else and their whole set up is based around maximising profit before even thinking about winning anything. Worst thing about their invitation is they are just there to make up the numbers. If Real or Barcelona aren't winning everything every year we'll just keep changing the format until they do. The one thing we value as fans in this country is our league set up. The most exciting top league in the world and the most competitve division below it. The rest of Europe, the world in fact, do not have anything like it. Unfortunately the owners, predominantly from the US, do not. They believe in their franchise type system where you can only buy a place at the big table.
     
  2. Storck

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    I think the timing was more due to the Champions League reorganisation that should have been announced yesterday. The ESL, how quick for that to stick, had to move in advance of that announcement as they couldn’t be seen to publicly endorse it and then complain after
     
  3. Storck

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    the Man Utd - Barcelona game will be more interesting than at least 90% of the games in the new formats. Comparing it to the final surely you have to compare like for like and compare it to the play off final at the end of the competition which will be a big match as it will decide the overall winners even if they have played each other a number of times during the season.
     
  4. Edin Nowhere

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    The rules state that there needs to be a 2/3 majority to pass a new rule in the premier league. Earlier this season the smaller clubs outvoted the larger clubs when it came to 5 subs per game.

    Then if people remember at the back end of last year there was a potential power grab with "The big picture" idea. This was to give the 9 longest serving Premier League teams the votes, most importantly the Bix Six would hold Six of those votes allowing them to get the 2/3 majority to change the rules.

    The rules in question are L9. This details the competitions that Premier League can take part in. The league cup, FA Cup, Charity Shield, Europa League and Champions League are listed as the recognised competitions and even things such as the West Ridings Cup are covered under this rule. A Super League would have to gain permission from the 2/3 of the clubs which now makes it clear what the intentions were back in October when they were trying to push for this adjustment in the promise for a pittance of money to help in the Covid pandemic.
     
  5. Tight1-0Victory

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    What's interesting about Man Utd Vs Barcelona?

    It's a premium game.

    They rarely play.

    Both have to achieve things in order to meet.

    You sure replaying that game year in, year out is that interesting?

    Isn't that the argument for having a league structure with a top division? That the best sides playing the best sides is really interesting? How many Premier League games are actually interesting and get a big build each season?

    Not many.

    It's standard fare. We're used to it. It's normal.

    Making Man Utd Vs Barca normal is a dumb plan.
     
  6. Storck

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    But is Barcelona - Man Utd more interesting than Man Utd v champions of Malta?
     
  7. Bronco

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    It shows just what these faceless owners are all about I can understand letting the news out and the shit hitting the fan before letting everyone concerned at their respective clubs know the situation but for the likes of Klopp to be in an embarrassing position as he was both pre and post match was shocking, the man who brought Liverpool their first Premier title and the other trophy and he knew nothing more than what he's read in ths media.
     
  8. Edin Nowhere

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    The end game for them is an NFL structure competition over Europe.

    They start it rolling with established well supported teams and over time add major Cities in Europe as one off clubs to join the "Franchise".

    This completely goes against football in europe but it's what they know best to create a closed shop and like in the NFL, when a franchise doesn't perform as expected, they simply ship it off elsewhere in the hope it has more success.
     
  9. SimonW

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    Except that's just your opinion that it's the end goal. I'm actually pretty sure they are well aware that the whole thing won't actually happen. The very timing of the announcement actually tells you what it was about and its about shining a light on football authorities, especially UEFA who don't care about producing a good product but rather about keeping their stranglehold on football to the detriment of it.

    It's like I actually had a further read of the initial CL reform proposal and actually that was creating a Super League.

    You had 4 groups of 8 teams. The top 4 teams would go into the playoff to be crowd champions. Reaching the playoff guarantees entry next year

    The 5th place teams keep their place next season

    a 6th place team plays a 7th placed team over 2 legs. Loser drops into the Europa League group stage next seasonm

    8th Place goes into the Playoff round of the Europa League


    And over in the Europa League its similar. They hadn't worked out all of this at the proposal as they were still working out the 3rd tier competition but basically, The top teams in the group went to the playoffs and the 2nd and 3rd places played off for the rest of the spaces.

    If you made the quarters you were guaranteed a Europa League group place next season

    If you made the semis you got a Champions League semi the season after.

    Basically, it meant that each year the CL could only change by 8 clubs. And 4 of those had to earn it via the Europa League. I couldn't find out how the other 4 were assigned, I'm assuming most likely the 4 champions of England, Germany, Spain and Italy or maybe the 4 teams with the highest co-efficient who weren't already in.

    It was just as closed off and I suspect when the 3rd tier had been sorted out the Europa League would have been just as closed off with UEFA expecting league spots to largely just qualify people for the 3rd tier and you would then have to work your way up


    They were also talking about having games not just midweek but also on weekend. It just shows that actually, the reason UEFA are pissed is the clubs are threatening their stranglehold because what UEFA wants is to basically destroy national leagues and have them in control of a European wide one. Trust me the ESL move will fail, UEFA will get more powerful, especially if countries put in place laws like is being suggested which will just strengthen UEFA further as clubs will be unable to speak up further and by 2035 we will have a basically a European league system with the nations own leagues being little more than non-league (and most of the clubs including city will go to the wall, you lot will have to start supporting leeds)
     
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  10. SimonW

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    You mean the power grab that would have removed the power from yoyo teams who vote anything down that doesn't come with more parachute money. As Dennis mentioned in another post big picture would have actually helped fix the EFL by reducing parachute payments and increasing solidarity ones. Parachute payments are what's killing the EFL clubs about £260mill gets paid out to almost 10 clubs each year, solidarity payments are £106mill (and these 10 get their cut of that as well). Even when those getting the parachute payments totally blow the money and don't get back up in 3 seasons (or worse get relegated further) this money not only forces others to overspend both to compete but also just by raising the amount players ask for as there are other clubs who can pay more.
     
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  11. Tony Wilkinson

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    You do talk absolute bollox....
    This issue is sod all to do with my political stance, as a consumer I can criticise and choose not to endorse or contribute, no more complicated than that...
     
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  12. Storck

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    A YouGov poll has been done and 79% of those surveyed were against it.

    now I don’t think that is bad to say it was within 24/48hours of the announcement and coverage and public response has been so negative.
     
  13. Rcbantam

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  14. Storck

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    And Man City, Barcelona and Athletico.

    now if they have signed contracts to take part I’m guessing there will be a penalty clause to withdraw, so the other 8 teams share the cash for doing nothing when it collapses.
     
  15. Tight1-0Victory

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    Man City officially out

    Lol.

    And what was achieved? Any changes to the Champ League?
     
  16. Storck

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    Apparently the ‘Big 12’ are meeting tonight to discuss disbanding
     
  17. Offcomedun

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    Chelsea and Man city owned by oligarchs who don't need the money. Pulled out first.
    But the 'big clubs' in millions of debt such as the US owned ones slower to pull out.

     
  18. SimonW

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    And well done all the fans. You have now killed football because now UEFA has complete power. The structure of the ESL wasn't good but letting UEFA win means within 10 years we will have their originally planned system, probably made even worse.

    I hope you lot enjoy playing in a league that is the equivalent of the combined countries league now

    *Edit* Just to add I didn't like the ESL setup but it needed Football to push for a better, fairer version of it away from UEFA's self-interest. Until football gets itself broken away from UEFA and FIFA its doomed
     
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  19. Tight1-0Victory

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    Best news of the day, the utter clown.
     
  20. Tight1-0Victory

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    It's a terrible idea, nothing bad will come from it not happening, it was a dreadful idea from the off, and while changes ARE needed, that wasn't the way.

    Very good outcome.
     
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