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Most liked posts in thread: Donald Trump *ahem* Tax Payments

  1. Damo

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    It bothers me as its the populist type of politics we now see over here, where duping and lying to the electorate is acceptable and theres no accountability. But thats America people say. Rest assured those behind the scenes running things have exported across the Atlantic. There is no reason why Farage and Banks should be so pally. Then there is the rise of the nationalistic tone and divide and conquer into left and right. Its splitting societies apart. So in my eyes this coming election is crucial to the direction the world will head. Sorry bit deep for a football forum
     
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    I would guess this will make absolutely no difference.
     
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    Not necessarily, unfortunately.

    It's perfectly obvious that the man is a total charlatan. He claims to be a self-made 'master of the deal' but he's been living on credit, tax dodges and bailouts all his life. His dad funded all his early business deals and his profligate lifestyle and bailed him out of millions of dollars of debt. He inherited multi millions and yet has declared bankruptcy several times, leaving creditors in ruins. He's a useless businessman and a crook to boot.

    But, his faithful supporters will forgive him anything - sexual abuse; blatant lies; overt racism; collusion with foreign governments (amounting to treason) for personal gain; and wholesale tax fraud - as long as he resists gun control, scapegoats immigrants and rolls back abortion rights. Many of them see any form of taxation as tantamount to evil so will actually applaud his success at evading it for so long.

    The only hope is that enough swing voters will be horrified and motivated to vote against him.

    I think it's going to get very messy. If he loses he's going to refuse to concede and falsely claim that postal voting is fraudulent. He'll drag the process out through the Supreme Court, which he has packed with ultra conservative judges who'll support him as far as they possibly can.
     
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  5. Nottsy

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    Lol.
     
  6. Offcomedun

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    No he hasn't.
     
  7. Dennis

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    One of the leading lights in our tax division referred to 'paying tax as an optional activity' for those with sufficient wealth to to fund it!

    Had we been staying in the EU then the two EU directives on tax avoidance (ATAD and ATAD II) would have applied to us and would have closed many of the loopholes and devices used by wealthy individuals to avoid paying UK tax. Of course now we are leaving the EU, those directives won't apply in the UK. It makes me wonder how many of those whose companies have complx ownership or domicile structures designed with one purpose in mind - to hide wealth in UK tax havens beyond sight of HMRC. Step forward the likes of Tim Martin, Richard Branson, James Ratcliffe, John Moulson, Philip Green, James Dyson and many others who have that kind of wealth. I wonder how they campaigned on Brexit to avoid becoming subject to the ATADs?
     
  8. trevor

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    Whatever the situation with Trump and his taxes he will make sure it is legal, Tax crime in the USA is a major offence and very long prison sentences are given for it,
    When the tax evasion details from Liechtenstein were given to the USA and UK tax authorities the USA said if proved they would go to jail for a very long time, HMRC said if UK citizens were proved to have evaded tax they would be sent a very strong letter,
     
  9. Nottsy

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    Is anyone still pretending he’s all there?
     
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  10. How

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    I think we need to look closer to home rather than worry about Trump and his tax avoidance
     
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  11. Stafford Bantam

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    Indeed. It is relatively straightforward for anyone to avoid paying tax even in this country. Of course, the cost of setting up the appropriate measures outweighs the benefits for many but, for the rich, avoiding tax is fairly easy to do, if so inclined.
     
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  12. Dennis

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    Yes, that's ATAD II. Very catchy titles.

    Together with the original ATAD, it would have brought a lot of what some refer to as 'aggressive' tax avoidance to an abrupt end within the UK. I bet some of those on my earlier list are very pleased that those directives will now never be implemented in the UK. They'll be laughing all the way to their overseas banks!
     
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    Of course. This is the real reason why many of the Tory Party are so keen for us to 'take back control of our laws' - so they can keep squirrelling away their wealth in offshore tax havens, whilst sweeping away 'restrictive' regulations - ie the hard fought employment rights that make us a civilised modern democracy. And they've managed to con large sections of the population to go along with it. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
     
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    Suggesting I'd have been better off if I'd have voted Labour is equally laughable though. The bloke in the middle is always the one being squeezed, it really makes very little difference which side of the divide your vote falls on.
     
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    I agree that the core support will remain regardless of what he says or does (can be proven to have said or done). Fingers crossed that more of those who oppose him will actually vote this time around. But getting people out seems to be a problem just about everywhere.
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    On a lighter note, I don't see why he should be so worried about voter fraud. After all, given that he is so sure it exists, surely it shouldn't be beyond him, stable genius that he is, to make sure it works in his favour?

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    It’s funny the anti Trump agenda at home. I wouldn’t vote for him - far from it. But I don’t really get why it bothers people so much. As people have alluded to practically all the rich evade paying tax. EU or no EU it will go on. Tale as old as time.

    He’ll win again this time around. I think before covid he would’ve won be a landslide. I think it will be close now, but trump will win. Democrat party in a huge mess when the best they can put forward is Biden - bloke is nearly 80 - genuinely doesn’t look well.
     
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    thoroughly agree and well put :thumbup:
     
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  18. Dionysus

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    Completely agree. Behind our own general elections, it’s the second most important democratic event. It literally forms and destroys global narratives that we all live with.
     
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  19. trevor

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    Yes but elections both in the UK and USA do not work on the amount of votes won, which is why polls can often be misleading
     
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  20. Dennis

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    It's probably more marked in the US than here in the UK. Clinton polled more votes than Trump in 2016 - nearly 2 million more - but their state-based, electoral college produced a presidential win for Trump.

    Even here in 2019, the Conservative party polled 43.6% of the popular vote yet won 56% of the seats. The share of the popuIar vote and the share of the seats were completely inverted. But I don't hear many people discussing that when democracy is ever discussed. It shows the limitations of the FPTP system in a modern multi-party election

    But some pollsters are a little more sophisticated than just looking at the aggregate of X or Y votes.
     
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