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Donald Trump *ahem* Tax Payments

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Keefly Bantam, Sep 28, 2020.

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    It’s funny the anti Trump agenda at home. I wouldn’t vote for him - far from it. But I don’t really get why it bothers people so much. As people have alluded to practically all the rich evade paying tax. EU or no EU it will go on. Tale as old as time.

    He’ll win again this time around. I think before covid he would’ve won be a landslide. I think it will be close now, but trump will win. Democrat party in a huge mess when the best they can put forward is Biden - bloke is nearly 80 - genuinely doesn’t look well.
     
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    It bothers me as its the populist type of politics we now see over here, where duping and lying to the electorate is acceptable and theres no accountability. But thats America people say. Rest assured those behind the scenes running things have exported across the Atlantic. There is no reason why Farage and Banks should be so pally. Then there is the rise of the nationalistic tone and divide and conquer into left and right. Its splitting societies apart. So in my eyes this coming election is crucial to the direction the world will head. Sorry bit deep for a football forum
     
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    thoroughly agree and well put :thumbup:
     
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    I’m really not sure how you can be so confident on that, unless there’s data to support it. No US president has ever sustained such negative popularity ratings.

    Biden has been up about 7 points pretty much since the DNC, and that’s growing, not shrinking. He’s up 5 in Pennsylvania, up 8 in Michigan and he’s even up 2 in Arizona and Georgia. Arizona has gone blue once since 1952 and Georgia hasn’t been blue for 28 years.

    Before cracking back on polling, Hillary was not up by this degree last time, and there wasn’t a substantial polling error in any instance.

    It’s definitely not a done deal, but the data supports the assertion that Trump is a busted flush. And this is before his Covid diagnosis - which I can’t imagine is obviously going to improve his chances.

    Trump can still win, but his chances are dwindling. He has to change the above and he’s rapidly running out of road.
     
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    Completely agree. Behind our own general elections, it’s the second most important democratic event. It literally forms and destroys global narratives that we all live with.
     
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    Not that you should really cherrypick individual polls, but the movement between them is indicative. Biden moves from an 8 to a 14 point lead with WSJ.

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    It’s merely an opinion. I haven’t a clue how it will go. I don’t like to consider myself a sceptic but polls have been wrong in very important referendums/elections recently. It’s going to be interesting to see how it goes.

    One of the ‘Trump car trains’ drove past my house yesterday. My post code I would imagine is very blue. The were followed by 4/5 police cars. Nearly spat my breakfast out. Lol.
     
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    He was behind in the polls against Clinton but still won, Just saying
     
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    Didn't Clinton get the most votes though?
     
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    Yes but elections both in the UK and USA do not work on the amount of votes won, which is why polls can often be misleading
     
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    It's probably more marked in the US than here in the UK. Clinton polled more votes than Trump in 2016 - nearly 2 million more - but their state-based, electoral college produced a presidential win for Trump.

    Even here in 2019, the Conservative party polled 43.6% of the popular vote yet won 56% of the seats. The share of the popuIar vote and the share of the seats were completely inverted. But I don't hear many people discussing that when democracy is ever discussed. It shows the limitations of the FPTP system in a modern multi-party election

    But some pollsters are a little more sophisticated than just looking at the aggregate of X or Y votes.
     
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    Circumstances are different though. Biden’s lead has been pretty much bullet consistent since his nomination, and it’s also significantly higher than Clinton’s. Trump’s running as an incumbent, which is also a totally different dynamic. His popularity ratings are consistently negative (no president has sustained such negative personal ratings through a term and held on).

    And also, Biden’s personal popularity ratings are vastly different to Hillary Clinton’s.

    In all though, the logic inherent in your suggestion is that being ahead in the polls is a bad thing. I’m not saying that it’s a lock, but given the data that’s available, and using more than just 2016 as a data point, it’s looking bad and getting worse for Trump.
     
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    Potentially one of the biggest regrets we can now have in hindsight was the vote on proportional representation. It passed me by a bit but in hindsight this was crucial. How many people voted for labour or conservatives last election because to do otherwise was a wasted vote. Ok it can cause stalemate and allow in extremes but those extremes exist currently but within parties like the ERG and momentum.
     
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    Is anyone still pretending he’s all there?
     
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    Yeah, he’s milking it and playing it down for all it’s worth like he’s done all along (we’ve not been too dissimilar at times over here). It’d all be embarrassingly hilarious if it wasn’t potentially so serious. Looking after his buddies and big business first, who cares if more people die, just get back to work. the economy is obviously important but everything seems to come down to an ‘either / or’ these days, the economy needs to open up yes, but in a managed way, there is so much more nuance to it than than the message he’s sending.
     
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