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Derek Adams' views on his time at VP

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Peter, Nov 6, 2023.

  1. Park bantam

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    Well said Ryan sparks
     
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  2. JonButterfield

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    The man just proves everything Adams said is correct.

    Those above him had no clue. They think it's just about giving a manager money, and can't fathom the advantages other better run clubs have.

    And you applaud that naivety...
     
  3. Fordy117

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    Why is it all said?

    Sparks takes no responsibility or accountability for his failure and has failed in his job.

    He can’t speak about about anyone!
     
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  4. ahar964

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    I'm confused. What else exactly did Derek need to be successful. He was given a good budget and good facilities. It doesn't matter to him that we don't own them. Yes there is a lack of experience and maybe lack of a long term plan, but none of that caused him to fail. He failed in the short term. Maybe he wanted a big hug from Sparkes every morning? All said in the midst of all his whinging its the impatience of the fans he blames for his demise.
     
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  5. Faithful Bantam

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    Spot on.
     
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  6. JonButterfield

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    You mention them in your reply.

    Adams needed the same thing the club has needed. Adams failed for the same reason the club failed.

    No plan. No experience. No expertise. No continuity. Sacking after sacking after every transfer window closes, tactical 180s from a CEO who can't work out why his club is flailing around in League Two when everyone in the game says we should be doing so much better.

    This is what Adams needed. It's what all our failed managers needed. And it's what Graham Alexander isn't going to get either.

    Can we at least promise not to blame him?
     
  7. Sergio Pinto III

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    Lets agree we all wanted rid of Adams. His signings were absolute shite and his football was utter dross. That aint on Sparks.

    if Adams was astute in the transfer market and played attractive football then the results may have been overlooked.

    Sparks has got alot wrong but so did Baldwin, Rhodes and Lawn until they struck gold with Parky.
     
  8. JonButterfield

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    Adams was head hunted from another club who received a fee from us for this ideal manager who was going to drag the club forward.

    Ryan told is Derek understood the vision, fit the culture of the club, we were so lucky to have him, he was an extremely successful manager.

    Even if you were going to blame Derek - and he obviously shares some of the blame - don't you worry about Sparks' judgement lol
     
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  9. Sergio Pinto III

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    Well he got it wrong, cant deny that but looked like a decent appointment at the time.
     
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    “I thought I could, I probably could have. The problem is you’ve got to keep the supporters onside for long enough."
     
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    I agree we lack those things, but they are mid to long term requirements and not to blame for Adams' short term failure.
     
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  12. Storck

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    20 managers include 5 managers who were in charge for less than 10 games in total
     
  13. JonButterfield

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    Fair enough, and they feel intangible to some, but I would bet good money on these things contributing to our short term failures much more than people realize.

    If you can't get off to a really good start because you're having to wait to overhaul the squad (AGAIN), you've probably already lost some fans out of sheer frustration.
     
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  14. Faithful Bantam

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    The specific ownership status of the ground and training facilities doesn't really matter as such, so long as they're up to standard. It has a bearing if the overhead constrains the budget though, which is what Adams is suggesting. Sparks says its 'competitive' but its less than 30% of our revenue, and its not like Sparks to misrepresent anything in the media, is it?

    What does have an impact is the culture it may speak to. i.e. if the mindset of the club is infected with a sense of just doing enough and not planning beyond a few months at a time, it'll shape how people perform. And there are specifics which are obviously missing - scouting, recruitment, any sense of a plan which means every manager is starting from scratch - we're literally doing this again by moving from one extreme to another in terms of favoured playing style between Hughes and Alexander. Every manager starts from a position of having to rebuild the majority of the squad, and this is the key reason we keep going nowhere.
     
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    And Trueman three times, Colin Cooper, Greg Abbott.
     
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  16. Fuzzy

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    We could have had a rock solid long term football strategy and plan and Adams would still have failed because he tried to force a way of playing on to a squad which was not capable of playing the way he wanted and rather than recognise that and adapt to the squad's strengths he blindly carried on and blamed everyone else for it not working.

    As it is, we don't have a rock solid plan or strategy so he was never going to be a success.
     
  17. Ulysses S Grant

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    Narcissists usually get their comeuppance in the end. Adams was here.

    He can do one.
     
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  18. JonButterfield

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    That's because he was appointed despite being totally incompatible with the club and players.
     
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  19. Smartmart

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    Adams has a point. We pay significant rent every season. We don’t own the stadium etc.
    However Adams football was utterly appalling. Dreadful to watch. Poor recruitment. Zero responsibility for his own failures. No rapport with the fans. Almost active in his arrogance to get the boot from our club.
    Hughes came in, has far more trophies and achievements in his career yet was humble and made a connection with the club. As badly as that ended he wasn’t as delusional as Derek. Adams can’t seem to accept his fault in anything. We are well rid of the bloke. Poisonous when under pressure.
     
  20. Petrov

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    If we had a rock solid long term football strategy and plan, Adams would never have been appointed. That's the point.
     

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