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How did he know he wasn't going to get the information? I will repeat, the ranking must have come from somewhere so there must be a listing of all the salaries available either inside or outside of football.

That's the difference right there. A rumour with a logical explanation of source and context is more reliable than one without. If you're going to provide the latter you can't blame people for checking whether it should be treated like the former.

 

Like what? I actually did an internet search for the info and it came up blank. Whats left after that?

 

You clearly don't know what type of poster Brisbane is. For a bit a context, he once asked me or my other Ricc account for evidence that clubs such as Wigan and Blackburn have higher budgets than us ,and it didn't matter what argument I put forward such as Blackburn buying Dack for £750k, he wouldn't have it unless is showed him official documents highlighting the budgets for both clubs. That's the type of bore we are dealing with here. If you told him the Middle East is hotter than Antarctica he's the type of guy who would only believe once he's been to both places with a thermometer.

 

It's not just for Brisbane. It's a public forum, he won't have been the only person who wanted to know.

 

now, what you have done here - and it’s a simple mistake to make; is to confuse the information given with the source (or evidence) of the information. i don’t care about what you have to say, but i am concerned about the lack of source or evidence of said information.

plenty of people can provide information that they believe to be true, it may well be, but not many can supply the source or evidence. what this does is create a cloud of scepticism about the information and does not add any weight to the discussion. in turn this opens up questions regarding the validity, which the person who stated the original claims should expect and be able to back up to show they have full confidence in their statement. again, if they can not supply that they must expect suspicion regarding the validity.

imagine being in a court of law as a member of the jury; would you believe either the defence or prosecution if they simply asked you to? or would you want them to give you something to substatiate their claims?

 

haha, if you can show me those posts that’d be great. but just so you know, it was once recorded as -5 deg C in the UAE and +17 deg C in antartica. not at the same time but climate change is playing havoc with worldwide temperatures.

 

I've not read all this drivel, but a bit of advice for you: If you want information out of someone, it helps considerably when you're not such a smug, condescending bore.

Regards,

Ricc.

 

In your opinion. Have you ever seen the odd German joke, some even referring to the war on this website. Don't be so naive that there aren't the odd few fans who think that way. We even get away support going to Germany and doing the German bombers. And I don;t think I came up to you and pointed at you and accused you of anything. Also I dislike you cutting out extracts of my comments, like some dirty Daily Mail reporter. I balanced out my comment that maybe I was giving them too much space/leeway as I want them to succeed

 

There was no social media in 2002 that’s why!!

 

Hang on, Tawheed and Ricc are one and the same???

 

No

Just a wind up.

 

It would certainly look that way with even Klaatu thrown in for good measure Social Media Eh!

 

Who gives a flying fig if our reputation for been 'nice' has gone? We were very 'nice' in that 2002 to 2012 ten year spell, lot of good it did us, when we won about a third of our home matches on average. We were 'nice' to Huddersfield when they wanted Wells as well

 

Haha no. He’s more into his cricket:

Used to be such a nice lad.

 

Yes we did need to be tougher, but it looks like we have one become a pariah club, rather than respect for being tough to deal with!

 

Agree totally with this. However, reading some of the comments on here, you'd think under the previous regime we'd had the most successful ever period and been in top two divisions

It's the total lack of perspective or what we had before v what we've got now that is quite honestly genuinely hilarious - as is the 'head in the sand' reality about how much clubs are run

And yes, Rahic has fouled up - but so have several Chairman past for us and still do for virtually every other club. Burnley are almost an exception that prove the rule - everything seems to have occurred with a degree of calm during their last 20 years. Even Hoyle at Town has had his dodgy moments, non more so than when he got rid of Robbins after the opening match of the season, a while back

It's going to be a very disappointing life for Bantam fans, if they think their is such a thing as Chairman who always gets it right / or never gets anything wrong

 

There is a point. What's the plan after your protest? Your last line is just distraction tactics and it gives your 'brothers in arms' a good laugh

However, it's a serious question. For instance if you've got a billionaire lined up, who wants us to become the new Man City - then I'm with you. On the other hand if it's the Tordoff / Gibb 'love in', I'm not

But you surely have one?

 

You were the one who mentioned the word "nice", not me.

My point is that we are certainly not better run that we were before and no where near being prepared for the "next level". In fact I would be confident to say that we are further away than we have been in a long time and rapidly declining

 

Our last set of owners, British in case anyone gets upset, certainly had their faults, Lawn threatened to upsticks to Odsal amongst other things. You could also say Lawn and Rhodes got lucky with Parkinson as he was the one, pretty much single handedly turned this sinking ship around. But what they did, and what hasn’t happened with Rahic so far, is to give the manager full say over football matters, including player transfers and backroom staff. The owners concentrated on off field matters. Now if Rahic gives Hopkin full say over in field matters while dealing with off field stuff we may see progress. But he hasn’t bought the club to sit in an office dealing with mundane business stuff, he wants a part of the footballing side. Not picking the team, but certainly having a say in the players brought in. Hopkin might be the one prepared to work with this system but i won’t hold my breath.

 

No, I meant that there’s little point in debating as I believe your point of view is impervious to what I would consider ‘reason’. But seeing as you’ve asked….

On the last point – it’s not about a cheap laugh. It’s been suggested that Edin has engaged a number of people to specifically wage a positive ‘spin campaign’ through social media. I’ve no idea whether that applies to you, but given your obstinate backing for a clearly failing regime, I wonder whether it might….

To the more important points.

I don’t really understand the thinking around ‘why protest unless you’ve got another buyer to put forward’. I don’t think that’s how it works. For me, first and foremost it’s about fans taking a stand to make clear to the owners – and the football world in general - that we won’t sit blindly back and watch while they drive OUR club into the ground. I mean, where you start? The tarnished reputation of the club that now clearly exists in the game and certainly the media spotlight? The myriad of employees who’ve left under a cloud and amidst a backdrop of apparent mistreatment? The continual stream of people being appointed to roles they’re not qualified for – including the appointment of Collins which has culminated in our 4th manager within 9 months? The systematic removal of anyone who’s looked to challenge Edin’s way of doing things? The reduction in team quality, rumours of unpaid bills and factual reduction in ST sales and revenue? The chasm that exists between the club and supporters and the increasing likelihood of relegation?

Edin Rahic is not qualified to run this club. He’s making a complete hash of it and thorough ignorance and hubris will not listen to the input of those who ARE qualified. Its his vanity project and we’re nothing more than the vehicle for it. We need to make a stand and say ‘we will not stand for this’.

What’s the point of a protest?

Maybe it will lead to a sale – there’s widespread talk of a consortium consisting of people who have longer standing ties to the club and community. Even if that consortium can’t provide the sort of cash investment that Lawn/Rhodes couldn’t (and maybe they could), right now I’d settle for restoring the principles and values of the club, restoring some credibility and professionalism, getting qualified people back into key roles and repairing the rift between club and supporter. Getting the foundations right again.

Maybe it won’t lead to a sale, but might influence the thinking of Rahic and Rupp, allowing for a degree of course correction.

Or maybe it’ll do nothing material – but if it only allows supporters to say to themselves ‘we didn’t just do nothing’ as the club regresses and continues to be dragged through the mud – that alone is something worth pursuing.

Supporting or passively accepting owners who’re ruining the club would be a disgrace, in my opinion.