COVID-19

For me it’d be better if they just showed hospitalisations and deaths, funny enough when cases were on a downward trend the BBC did an article questioning the need to report daily cases in the media. They didn’t stop and as soon as cases started to rise again they haven’t wrote anything like that again. Probably because cases are the big scary number that grabs people’s attention. I’m no conspiracy theorist I think they scare monger to try get every to get double and triple jabbed, but scare mongering is still scare mongering regardless of intention. Covid isn’t going anywhere, do we have to have these daily updates for years?

 

Cases are up, but due to the media push for this new variant testing has also shot up, against last week about 400k extra tests have been taken this week.

I'm in a scenario where a person in our household has tested positive who is fully vaccinated, however everyone else in the same household is testing negative. Therefore one person is isolating, whilst the rest of us are cracking on as normal, from the same household.

 

We're not though are we?

People care behaving normally.

But we're paying £70 per person extra if we want to leave the country and evert single day we have the threat of more societal norms being taken away from us. Even to the point where you snogging someone at the Christmas party is being discussed.

That's not normal

 

Do you not think its pressing news?
Its a global pandemic… do think Spanish flu would have the same coverage if news was as accessible as it is now.

 

But we're paying £70 per person extra if we want to leave the country
you pay tourist tax to go to beleric on holiday, some cases you have to pay for a visa to go on holiday somewhere. so that's not really not normal is it?
single day we have the threat of more societal norms being taken away from us.
fear of something isn't the same as having it taken away

normal is never normal though is it? how did people feel in the 1960/70s having the threat of USSR? how did people feel during ww2?

throughout history there have been multiple periods where there has been a seismic shift in terms of societal norms which defined that generation. we are currently in one of those periods.

Genuinely I would like to know how people felt in Britain during rationing. if anyone at the time thought it was a scheme or the government hoarding food or something.

It is interesting to see how quickly society pulls together when the threat is visible but apart when it isn't.

 

I am a bit confused here, are you saying the vaccines don't work? you were saying that a few months back that vaccines don't reduce the spread or something? are you all voluntarily staying home or are you trusting that the vaccines work?

 

wasn't it the same after 9/11? I can imagine during WW2 that there were daily updates on the radio/news

 

What are you confused about?

I've always said the vaccine is used to make it so you are in a better position to fight off the virus if you get it. It doesn't stop the spread or make you immune to catching Covid, as seen in this instance.

I'm going about my daily life because I don't have Covid, I've had it before and under current rules and as per test and trace I don't have to isolate even with someone who has actively got it in my household, so why would I isolate for the sake of it? If anything I'm better off out the house than in it.

 

“It doesn't stop the spread“

surely if that was the case you'd all be positive…

You can get covid twice unvaccinated or not too.

 

Explain why pre vaccine I had covid but no one else in my household had covid. You will find loads of examples like this where people have had covid pre and post vaccine where other household members were perfectly fine.

Best close your Sherlock Holmes detective agency.

 

That’s irrelevant, household transmission isn’t a 100% guarantee. It isn't bound to happen if you are unvaccinated that makes no sense and is an odd statement.
you said “it doesn’t stop the spread” how do you know?
How can you be so sure that the first time you actually took in covid particles compared to this time?

we can see daily figures that you report on are no where near as high as they were last winter. Do you think the vaccine does nothing in that regard?
Surely if it did nothing you all would have covid right?

Isnt it a bit odd you are making a statement about not having to self isolate as a bad thing?

 

What the absolute balls are you going on about.

You were the one who were suggesting that I don't have covid because the vaccine stop me from catching covid within my household and at the same time when I had covid pre vaccine household transmission isn't a 100% guarantee.

You can't have it both ways.

 

what I am getting at is for quite a while you have going on about how poor the vaccine is but then moan that you don't have to self isolate. (???)

you are also suggesting that the vaccine doesn't stop the spread which i have repeatedly pointed out is not true.

Like i asked you, if the vaccine isn't stopping the spread what is? we haven't had any restrictions since July (which I'm pretty sure you said would be put back on again) the R rate for delta was 9 so surely the daily rates would be astronomic by now but for some reason have consistently flatlined. personally I would like to know what percentage are vaccinated who are getting infected. not saying the vast majority of daily cases are unvaccinated I would just like to see how and where it is spreading.

 

Of course it's not normal. It's a global pandemic - the first one for a hundred years. It's a once in a lifetime event that's killed 3.5 million people and rising. Jeez, which part of 'exceptional circumstances' don't you understand?

 

Where have I been going on about how poor the vaccine is? I have said on many occasions that the VACCINE IS THERE TO HELP YOU WHEN YOU GET COVID, NOT STOP YOU FROM GETTING COVID. That's what vaccines are for and this is shown very clearly in the Hospital and Death figures. It's not stopping the spread, we had over 50k cases in 1 day yesterday, if anything the spread is as high as it has ever been. People will actually have it but the vaccine has reduced the effect of it that they don't even realise they have it and therefore cases won't even be recorded, add to that estimated antibody levels in the UK are above 93% meaning in many people it's nothing more than a mild cold.

The virus isn't even the same virus it was last year, it's 2/3 variants down the line with reports of the newest variant being the mildest form yet, but the data is still new on that one.

 

Where have I been going on about how poor the vaccine is? I have said on many occasions that the VACCINE IS THERE TO HELP YOU WHEN YOU GET COVID, NOT STOP YOU FROM GETTING COVID. That's what vaccines are for and this is shown very clearly in the Hospital and Death figures.

wrong
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html
COVID-19 vaccines can reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

It's not stopping the spread, we had over 50k cases in 1 day yesterday, if anything the spread is as high as it has ever been. People will actually have it but the vaccine has reduced the effect of it that they don't even realise they have it and therefore cases won't even be recorded

wrong again, i dont want to speak to you like a child but if its spreading that means its growing.. before we had it growing when we had restrictions. i had to wait over a year to go to my dads house. I was in the pub the other day. MIXING is at MAX but cases are STEADY therefore SOMETHING is reducing the SPREAD. before vaccines in november the growth rate was going up DAY ON DAY in a few weeks.... after SIX MONTHS now it is steady NOT GROWING. do you understand now? if there were no vaccines we would have been on about 200,000 new cases a day.

 

Its not me that’s failing to understand anything - I agree with you and that’s exactly my point.

I was responding to the post in which the poster was claiming, despite what you mentioned, that we are at pretty much normal apart from mask wearing.

 

All of this is fine. Buy let's not pretend it's normal.

Was rationing normal? The fact you're likening it to something that was abnormal is exactly the point.

Is it necessary? Maybe? We can discuss that. But it is 100% not normal. That's an unarguable fact.

 

Last summer cases were steady all the way through until the schools went back, when the schools went back cases got up to 22k cases a day and then everything was thrown into lockdown to stop the rise. The reason that took place was because the knock of effect of allowing that rise to continue to the 50k+ we see today was the damage that would be caused in hospitalisation and death. Only today have the ONS released data that suggests 1 in every 60 people has Covid.

As per usual and like in Germany and Austria people are moving away from why the vaccines are here, it's to prevent hospitalisation and death, thats why upwards of 100k cases per day were mentioned at Press Conferences to put people into the mindset that people will catch Covid, but it isn't a death sentence because the vaccine will protect you. Austria and Germany are using Knee Jerk reactions to rising cases and panicing. Rising cases were always likely to happen, it has been mentioned several times. What has confused people are those who wonder round having had a vaccine thinking that makes them completely immune from infection. That simply is not the case but you will be surprised at how common that opinion is out there within the public, such to the extent that some people actually think that if they come into contact with an unvaccinated person they might be done some harm, which again is bonkers, but that's where we are.

This is also the message that has been pushed home which means people simply won't listen to guidance anymore, because they have been fed a lie that they are immune from transmission because they are vaccinated.

 

So this Oslo Christmas Party.

64 cases recorded at an event where everyone took a test and every who attended was vaccinated. Still just 64 cases from the party of 120 people. Would have been more I guess if they were unvaccinated.