COVID-19

On this we definitely agree mate.

 

Not defending the government for one minute on this but how do we get round the fact that in any one week now there are a quarter of a million people in the UK catching covid whilst another 1000 folk are dying from it....it's a tough call...

 

What effect would a covid passport have on that figure?

Schools are back and of unvaccinated people. You can catch and pass covid with the vaccine, the vaccine put simply is there to protect the person who is vaccinated by maybe hospitalising someone who would otherwise die, or make someone ill who would otherwise be hospitalised.

 

Not a tough call at all. Wasn’t tough when he was VIPing at Wembley looking like a prick in his England top.

Understand what this government is about and you will quickly learn the calls are not tough.

 

Despite being fully jabbed, with huge regret I won’t be attending any games if I have to show a “vaccine passport”.

I feel incredibly uncomfortable about having to disclose my private medical status just to be able to watch a football match. It feels wrong on many levels and sets a dangerous precedent going forward.

That being said I’m in hope that this doesn’t come in to fruition.

 

This you?

 

Yes, as I’ve recently stated my stance on this has shifted somewhat.

I suffer from pretty bad social anxiety anyway but having been out and about the past couple of months my views have admittedly changed on this.

 

Completely agree. Vaccine passports are nothing to do with safety and everything to do with control. Its a line being crossed. Vaccination of children without - and even against - parental consent, is another.

 

No worries, I too have believed some of the guff this government has pumped out over the pandemic.

 

Dont worry the micro chips you have already been injected with will tell anyone all they need to know

 

Sadly, I don't think it's something that we can "get around" without major adaptations to normal life. A vaccine passport looks to me as if its designed to show they're doing something rather than having a tangible benefit.

But if 80% of the eligible population are vaccinated and 1,000 people a week die then sadly that's the effect of a new deadly disease coming on the scene and a vaccine that is (understandably) imperfect. Expecting a new deadly disease to appear and the level of death to stay the same as it was previously doesn't logically balance out.

 

I couldn't believe how fast my 5G was at VP last week, I must have been sat near lots of vaccinated people.

 

You spelt ‘murdering psychopath’ wrong m8.

 

He’s not. He’s dangerous. And he’s far from alone.

 

Curious to know what you're uncomfortable about? Its just a document showing you've been vaccinated. And from some peoples viewpoint, that shows you're a responsible person.
I run a bar here in Tallinn, and we have to ask for proof of vaccination in order for people to enter the bar and get served. Simple QR code reader, and once confirmed the document is legit, then you're good to go. I get people moaning about lack of freedom of movement, segregation, discrimination and all that. But when I've asked people for their ID to prove they're of legal drinking age and over 18, then there's no complaints. In fact, most woman seem to be flattered.
Those who refuse to show a document - or in some instances, show a forged document - simply miss out on having a beer in the bar. Same way you're missing out on watching a game of football. I don't get what the issue is, especially as you're obviously not an anti vaxxer.

 

That's a strange analogy. Alcohol is potentially a harmful substance (some would even say a drug) so the check to see if they're 18 is to stop kids consuming it. That seems sensible. Same with a driving licence. Driving is a potentially dangerous activity so the document proves you have the necessary skill to undertake it. Which also seems sensible,

Both things are completely different to proof of vaccination so my personal objections to it are (at least) threefold.

1) No society has ever been split up into "us" and "them" and come out of the other side better for it.

2) The vaccine passport doesn't stop infected people from being in the location. It doesn't actually make you "safe".

3) once you give the government the power to actually require discrimination on these grounds how can we control that power? - Right now the majority clearly and rightly agree with having the vaccination but what happens if the next thing we're required to do to enter a pub hasn't got quite so much support, and then the next, and then the next. I don't usually like arguments by extension but I'm wary of giving governments I don't trust power to exclude people from society on medical grounds where the actual benefit to society and the individual is imperfect.

 

I will not slate anyone for taking the vaccine nor anyone that doesn't but I will openly admit I am unvaccinated at present although, I ain't a anti vaxxer as upto date with all the vaccines we should have. It's that I feel we don't yet know the full impact to whether the vaccine is a success of failure. Hopefully it is the former and my concerns are fruitless but until we know for sure I am reluctant to have it. The one question I will put out there though if the unvaccinated are proven wrong and it does work at least they will be able to be vaccinated but for those vaccinated what if other health issues arise by having taken it what is your plan B?

The one thing the vaccine has taught us is that sadly people are still getting poorly and dying even after taken it and it can still be transmitted just like a unvaccinated person could pass it on so clearly something isn't quite right with it as of yet. I know a few people some who ended up in hospital after the vaccine luckily they all seem fine weeks after but only one had previous health problems.

I understand we can't sit down and do nothing something was/is needed but on the flip side until it's guaranteed to work how many COULD suffer long term by taking it. We all know at the earliest 2023 is when we may know to its success or failure.

 

When is the call made that the vaccine carries little risk or major side effects compared to getting Covid, 5/7/10 years down the line.
My first jab was in January with the second jab 12 weeks later it is 6 months down the road too early to make that call, because it has been used in the passed as a reason for some not get the vaccine.

 

The point of the vaccine is to reduce the chance of you catching it, reduce the transmission and needing hospital treatment.

we can see this currently working right now. We have zero restrictions on at the minute and yet cases are not skyrocketing. If you look at the PHE dashboards you can quite clearly see this decrease in cases, hospital admissions and deaths.


Please do get vaccinated, no vaccine lasts in your system past a week so the odds of having long terms effects are close to nil.

There are stories of people regretting not taking it and unfortunately dying from it. We do have to remember we are in the midst of a one in a century event.

 

I agree it's not an exact analogy. I'm not arguing for or against passports, but I think the point Tallin was making is that you are not being asked to disclose your entire medical history, as some radio commentators seem to imply (Julia Hartley- Brewer for one), simply whether or not you have had the vaccinations.