COVID-19

Isn't TFL run by Sadiq Khan. Nothing political in that decision....

 

Meanwhile if you are a minister or top civil servant isolation is removed long before 19th August like everyone else.

Meanwhile my children do not have Covid, yet in the last 3 weeks have only been at school for a total of 6 days between them, and now one of them is off again.

Their education is Cannon fodder at the moment when the risk to them is extremely low and anyone who they would be protecting who is vulnerable has long since been vaccinated.

 

That is like if you are an England fan then restrictions about numbers in stadium were removed early

 

First set of people where it is compulsory to be jabbed. Wonder who will be next, NHS staff, maybe teachers?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57829135

 

I'm afraid to say the "conspiracy theorists" as people called them are far closer to the truth and the way this is playing out than those who happily follow the carrot dangled forever just out of range before them.

 

The ‘conspiracy theories’ are easy to dismiss as fantasy. But its playing out. What the last 18 months have shown is the power of the media to completely manipulate and control public behaviour.

As we unlock, its important to maintain rigorous cleaning standards too. Are at least, pretend to clean and take photos of it for the media.

 

What's with all the hate for Sadiq Khan? He's extremely popular with Londoners - the people who elected him to represent them.
This decision is entirely reasonable and pragmatic and will be supported by millions of regular tube and bus users. The London Underground is an obvious Petri dish for Covid at a time of escalating cases and rising pressure on office workers to go in more often. Maintaining masks on jam packed tube carriages and crowded buses is the overwhelmingly sensible option.

Most airlines are also keeping mandatory mask-wearing. I guess they're all run by lefties too.

 

You put a lot of faith in poundland face rags. I've said before anyone concern can quite easily buy a FFP3 mask to protect themselves. It's clearly political motivated.

What I don't get is if there is so much support for it as we are told, mask wearing on Monday would be at the level it is today so we are led to believe. However they know that is not the case so a packet of poundlands finest worn on the chin with the weight of the world on it's shoulders.

Meanwhile my kids are now off school till probably September now, because of 1 positive test in a year group. We accept a positive test as a reason to shut the whole year group down but we don't accept negative tests as a reason to get those not effected back to school. There must be hundreds of thousands of children in the UK off school for no good reason because people who are vaccinated are still shitting themselves over catching a virus they are protected from.

 

I think there'll be a major compliance challenge now. My sense is, people have been reasonably compliant for a while, but on the basis that its all about buying time to advance a vaccine programme. Given the widespread implementation of the vaccine programme, I think people will now expect 'normal' life to resume, post 19th July. If the vaccine doesn't enable that, and the low level of hospitalisation isn't embraced as the key data point - with emphasis instead being pleace on 'infection rates' and 'variants of concern' and the same inflated prophecies of doom that we've seen before, we'll see how people react. That said, we've seen how pliable people are, so those pulling the strings can control the mainstream messaging and very strongly influence how people think. Its all entirely depressing, because this control system, this means of allowing civil 'freedoms' purely on the basis of medical procedures is here to stay.

 

A total of 839,700 children missed school last week due to self-isolating rules. That's 11.2% of all pupils in the country. The vast majority of them did not have Covid - and most of the pupils who did have it, had few or no symptoms. Absolute madness - the damage this is doing to our kids will be untold.

 

I can't really believe that response. I am double jabbed but taking away people's freedoms because they don't want the vaccine is completely out of order.

I posted a chart showing the % of white people who have not had the vaccine over the age of 50 is 6%. For Black people this is 30%. These are now the scapegoats. And for what, a mutant strain is going to evolve from these people who total 10% of the total adult population? There are 5bn world wide unvaccinated, so the push all the blame on these who choose to not to take the vaccine in the UK is on par with 1930s Germany pushing all the blame for the ills of the world on one section of society and then "excluding them from things in the future".

 

what a load of overreactive tosh, people cannot choose to be born jewish or born as romani gypsies. people can choose to take a vaccine.

why should we take a 'risk' in taking a vaccine but get no rewards for doing so? if that is the case what is the point? and before you say everyone should be free to do whatever they please why can't people smoke on a bus or in a pub?
either they can take it or lump it as far as i'm concerned.

 

If you don't believe it protects you

define protect, does it give anyone 100% protection? nope. How am I supposed to know that im the small minority that doesn't get protected?

I hope you don't run about thinking that no rule applies to you as you are now 'protected'

why the feck did you take it?

• its free
• its safe
• took less than 30 minutes to get in to get both jabs
• means that it's much easier for me to travel abroad.
• I increase my chances of saving others and myself
• it's literally the only way we have of getting out of this mess.

I do not understand why no one would actually not want to take it.


are you bothered that people who chose to smoke are not allowed to do so in public places? if not why?

Also I have noticed your ''debate" strategy is to find something the other person says and argue that rather than the actual point at hand. Which was comparing this to 1930s germany is pure overraction.

 

The whole situation has gone to pot. The Govt have failed but then so would any Govt because it's a new unknown. I don't blame Boris but I don't think he's been Churchillian in this. I'm glad Jezza wasnt leader as it would have been worse because his puppet master (McDonnel) is a fascist of the highest order. I doubt Starmer would be any better.

The situation with infextions is crazy, but no-one factors in that we have done nearly 400 million tests and are currently testing nearly double what any other country are per day. Our rates are bound to be higher.

I was "pinged" on Sunday to say I need to isolate. At the time I was walking the Wolds way and really hadn't come within 2 metres of anyone, and the timing of being pinged meant all it could be was a pub in Hull where we had sat outside on Wednesday night, the hotel in Hull where I only encountered the receptionist behind a screen or a pub we stayed at in North Newbald where no-one else was staying, we ate outside and the only person we came into contact with was the landlord who was unlikely to have "checked in" to his own pub.

 

I see that parliamentary staff need to wear face masks, but MPs don’t….

 

The landlord in question doesn't need to check in to his own pub. If his phone has the Covid App, contact tracing is turned on and he then tests positive and enters the result into the App, you will get pinged if you have been close enough to him for long enough.

 

We were in a pub in Cleveys yesterday and were asked to fill in a form, the name of the hotel what time we entered and our mobile number took a minute at most, I assume after Monday even something a simple as that will not be required.

 

Re 1930s Germany the comparison is how easy it is to turn people against those they want to. It's worked with you and others as you are more than happy for those people to be thrown to the wolves, excluded from society because they are different. The difference in that case is chosing to take the vaccine or not take the vaccine. Like everything it snowballs from there.

The vaccine was never going to give 100% protection. Do you not drive on the roads because it is not 100% safe? If you don't trust an element of risk in the vaccine not being 100% then you live your life in a way that allows you to manage that risk.

"Also I have noticed your ''debate" strategy is to find something the other person says and argue that rather than the actual point at hand." Which is exactly what you do. You completely ignored my point about it being completely ridiculous to suggest that some super mutation will come from the low number of people who haven't taken the vaccine when there are probably 5bn unvaccinated people in the world, and by the sound of your answer you sound like you are more than happy to jump back on a plane and go travel the world among these 5bn people.

I am vaccinated, why because I felt it would protect myself. Could I care if my next door neighbour gets vaccinated? No, why because I have protect myself, if he don't want to that up to him. It might come back to bite him in the arse but that is his choice.

The venom you spew at people who choose not to get vaccinated and anyone who doesn't join in on the pile on of those who choose not to be vaccinated is similar to the scapegoating that took place in 1930s Germany whether you like it or not.

 

each paragraph has a point to be made, ill number them just for ease of reading.

1. right, excluded from society... right... you do realise all of these passports are vaccine OR negative test right? if you can find me restriction that is weighted solely on being vaccinated I'll will shut up. (I will discount health practitioners requiring the vaccine as they are already mandated to take flu, rubella, measles jabs ect. ) I will start protesting if they make unvaccinated people get on a train to luton death camp but you and me both know that's not going to happen.
2. i do manage that risk by following the rules that are around at the moment. That was my whole point. but do you not think its a tad unfair that someone that is 85%~ (as a guess i do think its higher) less likely to be hospitalised should live to the same standard of people who haven't? again i raise the point why aren't you mad at smokers having different treatment to nonsmokers? And after the 19th I would wear a face mask afterwards. It's a little thing that does a lot and doesn't really bother me too much.
3. if a new mutation comes about we will be at square one. back to lockdowns back to march 2020 just a fact. And i would be traveling to places that are green or amber listed. if a mutant strain comes about al la delta, it is up to the government to lock down all travel to that area.
4. you have a very singular you view on healthcare. unfortunately in a global pandemic we cannot have this mindset. this is why we are trying to get everyone vaccinated not just me or you. plus this reduces the amount of covid out there which in turn reduces the chances of a mutant variant. I care about everyone and any death or long covid case i see a tragedy and we need to do as much as we can as soon as we can to nip this in the bud.
5. I don't throw eggs at unvaccinated people or smash up unvaccinated peoples shops.. I am not clamouring to have the unvaccinated to wear covid patches. I am not blaming all of my problems on unvaccinated people. I think this a gross over exaggeration and is just straight up offensive.