COVID-19

No matter which side of the fence you sit on the simple answer is "nobody knows" - because they can't know. You can't be certain of the long term effects of something that has only been around in the short term.

It doesn't matter how much reading you do on it, you're currently dealing with projections rather than facts.

 

That bit would be good to know from the studies, if it's a slight loss of taste or an occasional headache it's a million miles away from chronic fatigue. Anywhere close to 50% seems madness though and isn't reflected in what we see or hear, even the preeminent group on this has 'only' gathered examples of 1,200 kids.

I think this is a pretty good summary of the reasons for a little bit of skepticism.

https://fullfact.org/health/extrapolating-figures-around-long-covid-kids-not-way-go/

 

We can look at existing vaccines though, AZ has been around for a while (the technology anyway) and that has had no long terms effects.

has anyone actually looked at the process of vaccines how they move through the body and if they leave anything behind? I am being a bit naive but i am assuming the paid professionals have taken this possibility into account. I will do some research on it but if I remember correctly you pee out the contents of a vaccine within a few days and theres no trace of what was. If we tell someone has been vaccinated via a test of some kind like checking for non organic chemicals in the bloodstream after a few months, that must mean it does linger and have possibilities of issues later on. but then i think why do we have cards with that info on them.

 

The AZ vaccine is being restricted on Under 40s due to a clotting risk so the AZ on that basis wouldn't be the one used on children.

 

We can look at existing vaccines but that is clearly another projection rather than a fact, especially with the MRNA vaccines which have never been used before.

I'm sure they will have looked into everything possible but if anyone tells you that they know what the repercussions will be in 5, 10 or 50 years they are clearly working purely in a theoretical basis.

 

Not on about Vaccines with regards to how they work on children but the long term issues that might arise from the general population taking them.

 

Fair enough but you were responding to someone who was replying to someone on the effects on Children, Long Covid and limited data on children, I think 1,200 cases were mentioned.

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/vaccines-and-immunization-what-is-vaccination

'extremely rare' and to be rather droll if there is an issue later on down the line that's a big a problem as millions (including myself) have had the Pfizer vaccine.

Unfortunately all we really can do is wait and see.

 

Exactly the point. Regardless of how much reading somebody does and what conclusion you reach this is the only truly factual position.

 

Using the following data which runs to the week ended 4th June 2021 here are some figures which raise some questions about why do we really need to double jab people down to the age of 40 and jab all people down to the age of 18 before moving forward.

Link to the data is here.

Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

The total deaths from Covid since the start of the pandemic are split as followed, then the last 10 weeks after 60% of adults have had their first jab, and then the total deaths of all causes in the last 10 weeks followed by a percentage of Covid deaths against total deaths for the same period.

 

More praise on our health minister.

 

Coming from Cummings? Weird how he couldn’t provide the evidence promised to Parliament but suddenly finds all this

 

He's entertaining I'll give him that.

His focus on Hancock to the exclusion of almost everyone else comes across a bit like a vendetta but it's an amazing insight.

 

He does call Gove's running of the cabinet office as a shitshow.

 

Waiting for Hancock to play his hand, then prove what he said to be a bending of the truth I suppose.

 

Possibly but now everything he said to the committee has been marked down as unsabstiated gossip. So he wasted his time going, except to keep his name in the news. Wonder if he has a book deal done

 

He does come across as a bit of a bunny boiler with regards to Hancock. I would no doubt expected to have heard that the "whatsapp screenshots" were not genuine from No10 as soon as the story dropped and this is probably the tip of the iceberg with regards to actual messaging between the two.

To be fair Hancock last week did ask for evidence and it sounds like Cummings has more on the way.

 

True although right after that message he backtracks slightly from it being Gove to it being an intrinsic problem with the way the Cabinet Office is structured.

 

Actually he does discuss his position on this.

"I was wondering about the issue of publishing private WhatsApp messages.

1) No10 and Hancock are openly lying even about what was briefed on-the-record, so clearly nothing is beyond their attempted rewriting of history.

2) To further their lies, PM/Hancock are spinning distorted versions of my messages from internal WhatsApp groups to the PM’s favoured stooges such as Playbook Wiki.

3) Hancock challenged me at the Select Committee to provide evidence and said my failure to publish anything was ‘telling’ evidence that my account was false.

4) The Select Committee has asked me to provide evidence and clearly what MPs see the public should also see — transparency on covid is crucial.

Clearly the government cannot reasonably complain about me publishing evidence. Given this I will publish some internal messages. There are many more I could publish but below and in future I will publish only ones that further the question of ‘what went wrong and how do we learn’. I won’t publish private messages just to embarrass the PM or others. My goal is to force the system to face reality and change, not to embarrass people for the sake of it."

 

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The attacks start for stopping the new Terminus Day of 19th July already.