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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by king karl, Feb 15, 2020.

  1. Bronco

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    In this article one medical expert says "This is a virus that is going to be with us forever in some form or another, and almost certainly will require repeated vaccinations," and another says "Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, head of the WHO, has said that the Spanish flu of 1918 took two years to overcome, and that advances in technology could allow the world to halt coronavirus "in a shorter time".
    https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-53875189?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15981750770486&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s
     
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    Basically because it is new they don’t know
     
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    Flare-ups in Western Europe easing now the summer pandemic in Eastern Europe looks to have peaked?

    Hit rates on testing:

    Country / Month / Week / 3-days / Last positives rate

    Croatia UP UP UP 10.9%
    Ukraine UP DOWN DOWN 8.5%
    Spain UP FLAT FLAT 7.2%
    Romania UP DOWN DOWN 6.2%
    Netherlands UP UP UP 4.0%
    Czechia UP UP UP 3.9%
    France UP UP UP 3.6%
    Sweden FLAT UP FLAT 3.5%
    Switzerland UP FLAT DOWN 3.3%
    Poland UP FLAT FLAT 3.3%
    Slovenia UP UP UP 3.0%
    Belgium UP DOWN FLAT 2.9%
    Austria UP UP UP 2.6%
    Serbia DOWN DOWN DOWN 2.3%
    Bulgaria DOWN DOWN DOWN 2.0%
    Slovakia UP FLAT FLAT 1.9%
    Russia DOWN DOWN DOWN 1.8%
    Italy UP DOWN DOWN 1.6%
    Turkey DOWN DOWN DOWN 1.6%
    Belarus DOWN FLAT DOWN 1.5%
    Portugal DOWN FLAT UP 1.7%
    Greece UP DOWN FLAT 1.2%
    Hungary UP UP DOWN 1.2%
    Ireland UP DOWN UP 1.2%
    Germany UP FLAT FLAT 0.9%
    UK UP UP DOWN 0.7%
    Lithuania UP UP FLAT 0.7%
    Norway UP DOWN DOWN 0.5%
    Denmark UP UP DOWN 0.5%
    Estonia FLAT DOWN FLAT 0.4%
    Finland FLAT DOWN DOWN 0.2%
    Latvia UP DOWN DOWN 0.2%


    .....Month/ Week/3-day
    UP....... 22....11.... 8
    FLAT..... 3.... .7 .....9
    DOWN.. 7... 14.. 15


    Https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&minPopulationFilter=1000000&time=2020-07-17..latest&country=EuropeanUnion~GBR&positiveTestRate=true&interval=smoothed&aligned=true&hideControls=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
     
  6. Aleman

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    Aug 19th still showing zero Covid deaths in English hospitals and 22nd is zero, too. This series sees the daily figures get topped up over the course of the following few days but the top ups are getting smaller. The last 4 days has only 5 deaths across English hospitals. It was 46 for same 4 days in July and 166 for the same days in June. That's deaths down about 3/4 and then 3/4 again in the last two months.

    New cases a month ago were estimated at 4200 per day in England by the household infection survey so that's 16800 new cases over 4 days in England. That converted into 5 deaths that might top up to less than 10. Add in the 20-25% that normally occur outside hospitals and it will probably be no more than 12. That's still a mortality rate of only about 0.07% - around half as severe average UK flu.

    http://covidtracker.uksouth.cloudapp.azure.com/

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/31july2020
     
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    That ties in with this article, based on an article in The Lancet. The virus does seem to be following the usual course, i.e. weakening as time passes.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/milder-coronavirus-1.5694855

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    Is it weakening or are we just becoming immune to it, which is the normal path for infections? That could be why positive tests are going up, but deaths and hospitalisations going down.

    Alas, it seems like the MSM and other peeps have a plan to keep ramping up the anxiety levels to prevent our lives, and the world getting back to normal.

    Truth is, who will want a vaccine for a virus that is no longer harmful. I certainly won't.
     
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    That doesn't really make much sense. If we were becoming immune then positive tests would be decreasing.

    Hopefully it is just weakening as time passes but I'd want to see a bigger sample size first. It's probably a bit early in the progress of a virus to be weakening dramatically and there's probably very little "push" for it to do so. It's being pretty successful in it's current state.
     
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    There are a number of reasons why the number of deaths have declined.

    One is that, recently, the virus seems to be more prevalent amongst the young; this is most likely due to the way that different age groups are interacting socially, i.e. a higher percentage of young people are prepared to put themselves in riskier situations.

    Another, is that we are getting better at treating those who react more severely to the virus. As each day goes by, we are learning more about this virus and are developing better treatments.

    As for the virus weakening; whilst there is some anecdotal evidence that this may be happening, it is far too early to have confidence that this is the case. We must be careful that wishful thinking doesn't cloud our judgement when deciding how to fight this virus. If we look around the world, we can still see very high death rates; if the virus is weakening, it still has to show that in a large number of locations. However, this is an area we must continue to monitor carefully, because it would offer us an alternative way out of this pandemic.

    All things being equal, at the moment I still think a vaccine is our best short to medium term hope.
     
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    The 'Oxford' vaccine could be before the regulators, for sign off, before the end of the year.

    All dependent on a number of factors, not least of which is that it proves to be effective.
     
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  14. Aleman

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    Here you go Aaron - 40% of German new cases thought to be imported, many from Eastern Europe :

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-08-24/coronavirus-why-germany-is-struggling-to-stop-the-new-covid-spike

    The summer upturns from hot spots in Western Europe looks to have been by cases being imported from Eastern Europe, where it's been prolific in June and July, and then not spreading that much into local communities. I've been suggesting this for two months. I still think the reason it's spread little into local communities is we probably have enough herd immunity.

    As the virus fades in Eastern Europe now, hit rates rates on testing suggest there are only a minority of countries where the virus is still increasing. In the last week, it's turned around and most EU countries are seeing hit rates flatten and/or fall.

    https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&minPopulationFilter=1000000&time=2020-05-22..latest&country=GBR~FRA~DEU~POL~BEL~BGR~ROU~ITA~IRL~SRB~TUR&positiveTestRate=true&interval=smoothed&aligned=true&hideControls=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
     
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    I don't know what part of that you're referring to to be honest. Unless I'm mistaken doesn't that say that German infections have increased among people returning to Germany from their holidays and that any attempt to blame migrants for this is "crude and unhelpful"? What bit am I missing in that article?

    If the people of Germany had herd immunity it wouldn't matter where they went on holiday because they obviously wouldn't be able to pick it up?

    The evidence is relatively clear. Wherever people gather for prolonged periods, whether that be parties, hotels, transportation, pubs, factories, etc, the virus is continually increasing and spreading. That's the exact opposite of immunity and is completely behavioral. The downward age shift in the people getting infected is also a likely indicator of why the hospitaliasation and death rates are falling.
     
  16. Stafford Bantam

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    With sampling having shown that roughly 6% of the population have had the virus, what makes you think that we probably have enough herd immunity?

    You only have to see the large number of positive cases that came out of one pub (the Crown & Anchor, Stone) on one evening, when social distancing broke down, to see that the virus can still spread rapidly across communities if it is given the chance. There are a good number of similar incidents involving other pubs acrosss the country.
     
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    That is genuinely one of the funniest articles I've read in a long time. Doesn't it show the exact opposite of what they're trying to imply?

    City centres which were ghost towns prior to a pandemic have seem minimal disruption from the world shutting down. Centres with high numbers of offices (now partially shut) and thriving social/tourist economies have seen a reduction in footfall. Who knew?
     
  18. Bronco

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    It seems that at English schools the government have said there are no guidelines that say pupils have to wear face masks.
    If staff or children want to wear a mask why would that be a problem ?
     
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    That's right, it should be a choice now...
     
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    There was a teachers union guy Geoff Barton, on the news saying the government flip flop from masks to no masks could the government give then a concrete decision now so they could implement it in schools.
    Then a head teacher came on and said his school, teachers and staff were taking responsibility with regards the situation at his school the guide lines are the non-wearing of masks but he and is staff will not be stopping any teacher or staff member who wants to wear one, good for you sir, what ever happened to common sense.
     
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