Brexit

Yes you may well be right but am sure the Lawyers are pouring over the details of the act looking for wording loopholes if any are to be found,

 

The thing is, the deal is there now but there does need to be the right amount of time for parliamentary scrutiny. A short delay, as the Benn act would imply, if it gets the deal through parliament must be the best option.

The worst case scenario for Boris and the Tories, I’d argue, is for the deal to fail to get through parliament and have to go into an election with Nigel Farage sniping that the deal wasn’t Brexit. Get the deal through and I think the danger of the Brexit party diminishes. Without the assistance of the DUP and with a strong Brexit party vote and a strengthened SNP vote in Scotland I think Boris and the Tories might be at serious risk in an election.

 

I hope your right but I don't think any of the opposition parties will/dare vote for it.
After the Labour party have bent which ever way the wind was blowing to then go into a General Election on the back of a done deal sighed off by all parties Mr Corbyn would really be struggling IMO.
I can see this being voted down another extension granted then the remain parties finding any leglisation they can muster to get it to a second referendum.
Dare any one country veto an extension big call.

 

More likely that if it doesn't get through Parliament, and if an extension is requested and granted, there will then be a General Election before Christmas.
If the Tories get a clear majority they would proceed with Johnson's deal. If Labour gets a majority (unlikely) then they would attempt to negotiate a different deal, without May's red lines, to take us out of the political element of the EU but leave us in a customs union. They would then put that to a referendum.

 

Do you not see the flaws in the argument that this is such a good deal for Northern Ireland, it’s just like being in the EU?

 

Thats put me right at ease mate, not a chance in hell Labour getting a majority.

 

The rebate is also for duty.

Not entirely sure you’re up on the details enough to be trying to say whether we’ll be paying any tariffs under this deal.

 

You'd think not. But stuff happens during GE campaigns. They rarely go how they are expected to.
Corbyn was expected to be completely trashed at the last election, after two years of relentless negative spin against him in most of the media. He ended up turning a working (albeit small) Tory majority into a hung parliament where May could only govern by bribing the DUP. No one predicted that. If the election campaign period had been a normal length, instead of two weeks shorter than usual, it's likely he would have won it because the momentum was swinging massively in his favour.
I'm not a big Corbyn fan. I think with a different leader Labour would be walking the next election. But there are certain factors in Corbyn's favour:
- In a GE campaign the press and other media are forced to give equal time to both sides of the arguments. This is very different from normal circumstances and works in Corbyn's favour because they can't just trash him without giving him a fair shout.
- Corbyn may be a pretty ineffectual party leader but he's a bloody good campaigner. He has a set of principles and policies that he believes in and can present well - unlike Johnson who will say and do anything that he thinks will get him elected and is therefore prone to gaffes when questioned hard.
- Labour has a membership of half a million, mostly young people who believe passionately in Labours alternative economic strategy and will be out in force campaigning. The Tories have a much smaller, mainly older, membership and will struggle to get boots on the ground.
- There will be tactical voting. There won't be any formal pacts but there will undoubtedly be informal local agreements between Labour and the Liberals to back off in areas they can't win to avoid splitting the anti-Tory vote. And this will be backed by online info about whether to vote Labour or Liberal to get/keep the Tory out in each area.

I think another hung Parliament is most likely, if Johnson fails to get the deal through parliament. If he does get it through then he'll probably win a majority (God help us). But these are such politically volatile times it's too difficult to call. A Labour majority is unlikely, but to say there's not a chance in hell is overstating it.

 

Exactly!!

The DUP and other unionists are all up in arms but obviously a guy called trevor knows differently.

Boris could roger his wife and he'd back it up if brexit was put in as a reason.

 

I think @trevor would insist upon a withdrawal agreement??

 

And a backstop.

 

I agree with the weakness of the Labour position on this. Had they presented a consistent and united view on Brexit, particularly around the 'level playing field' then they would be in a much stronger position.

 

I still can’t help but figure that if Labour would have come up with this as an alternative then they’d be accused of allowing the EU to annex Northern Ireland.

Parties play politics in different difficulty settings.

 

Yes the DUP are initially against it but has nothing to do with customs or VAT, They can live with most of the deal but one clause makes it very difficult if not impossible for them to support it,
I would respect your replies much more if you had given the reason the DUP and unionists are against the deal,
Your second comment lives up to your childish nature,

 

Just to make clear, There will be no customs line in the Irish sea, There will be no customs between The Republic and Northern Ireland, There will be no extra tariffs than at present till at least the end of 2020 and maybe 2021 or until a mutual beneficial trade agreement is signed, In the meantime both the whole of the UK including Northern Ireland can sign independent deals with other nations,
Just as at present there will be VAT and duties on fuel to be collected electronically as at present and forwarded.

 

Labours position on Brexit is to arrange a deal where we stay in the customs union, Stay in the free market, Accept the supremacy of the EU courts and allow free movement of people to this country, Given this there would in fact be no reason to leave

 

If this results in the break up of the United Kingdom, would that be an acceptable price to pay, in your opinion? (Actually, in anybody here’s opinion)

 

Except the EU has to give us permission to ratify any new deals, you left that bit out. This was the FIRST deal offered to the UK by the EU that Theresa May turned down. "No UK Prime Minister could ever put a border down the irish sea" so she came back with the backstop which was much better for the UK but still poor.

Constant contradiction and misinformed opinion spout from your mouth. This time its not even funny its leading to the annexation of NI into the EU. All at the hands of the Tory Party and you people who voted for it.

Its so shameful and a disgrace

 

First explain why there is a danger of a UK break up

 

You are just wrong on most things you post, I notice you have ignored my asking you why the DUP have rejected the proposed deal,
There is no border down the Irish sea proposed in the deal and the freedom to negotiate new trade deals without EU permission is in the deal, The backstop you mention would have kept the UK in the EU but this deal gives Legal assurance that Northern Ireland shall always be part of the UK the first time the republic have conceded that in a legal paper
The only misinformation and contradictions are from yourself but am happy for you to post them when you find them,
It is interesting you bluster and insult when proved wrong, which is often