Brexit

WINNER

 

Good post mate and shocking for those involved.
IMO Its going to take a General Election to sort this debarcle out hopefully with two parties getting together as I'm not sure one party. will get a majority to do it alone

 

Thought the analysis by Beth Rigby was spot on

Boris knows what he's doing and what reaction he'll get, he has no interest in uniting the country, only in holding on to power by any means.
Remember this is the guy who was a remainer himself until he realised it was politically more expedient to back the leave side. He doesn't particularly care about Brexit either way, only about power.

 

There is no possibility or remedy for uniting this country now, it's either brexit/right or EU/left, no magic wand will bring us back together ...but we do need strong government that's for sure..

 

While it is true that female MPs receive more threats it is also true that male members also receive them and in both cases it is wrong, It was laughable that a female Labour MP was screaming and shouting hysterically calling the prime minister names in a diatribe speech asking HIM to curb his language while doing it in an abusive way and blaming his attitude on the murder of an MP, He quite rightly described what she said as humbug, If anyone should be ashamed of their conduct her and one or two other Labour MPS should also be ashamed using a dead MP in speeches meant to incite .

 

As much as a shambles the Tories are at the moment, Labour are putting more nails in their own coffin.

With a large number of Labour voters voting for Brexit they are highly unlikely to support yesterdays plans passed at Labour conference.

An extension of free movement.
To close all detention centres.
End No recourse to public funds.
free access to the NHS for all migrants.
Equal voting rights for all migrants.

That will go down well in the labour heartlands.

 

Can't help thinking that they know they have no chance of getting in, they are happy just being a destructive, protest group....

 

What on earth have they come to? John Smith must be turning in his grave. I can't vote for them.
Although a remainer, the Lib-Dems unilateral decsion to revoke article 50 is totally undemocratic. I can't vote for them.
I'm a remainer, I can't vote for Boris.

Flipin 'eck!

 

The problem with a second referendum is the current distain amongst leave voters. Regardless of all the rights and wrongs, the appetite amongst brexiteers to take part in a referendum they consider A) undemocratic and B) A waste of time as they were lied to the first time is simply not going to be there. This is all whilst remainers have every single motive in the world to get off their arse and vote and all you end up with is a top-heavy electorate in favour of remain that does anything other than represent the views of the country.

The time to define the terms and put all the options on the table was the first time we voted, in which remain would have won. Doing it 3 years later in amidst of a shitshow and disillusioned Brexit voters who strongly object to the idea makes it completely infeasible.

 

I think this just about sums up the whole political scene right now.

 

Fair comments but you miss one important point, there weren't enough voters of the remain persuasion to win the first vote? I very much doubt anyone who didn't vote in the first referendum would vote in the second so the remain campaign is relying on leave voters effectively changing their mind to reverse the original vote
Even if we have a new referendum of leave (deal), Leave (no deal or remain in the EU, remain still needs a majority vote of over 50% (how much over 50% seems a mute point at the moment) for them to win because the leave vote is still a vote to leave despite there being two vote options. And from a personal point of view i now couldn't care less what we did, the whole thing has dragged on way too long to a point where any debate from either side is rendered useless.
The positive out of this shitshow for me is that its shown just how broken and and detached from the electorate politics is in this country, and that hopefully people have seen through politicians for what they really are.

Hopefully the next generation of society somehow get a set of politicians that are fit for purpose and a voting system that means their voices are heard and not ignored, the young of this country need politicians to aspire to for a better future. And lets face it we're at rock bottom at the moment.

 

Last night on Question Time a woman actually said we should have another vote as there will be more young voters who are now able to vote leave, talk about scrapping the barrel.
I wondered why she didn't finish her comment by saying some of the oldies who voted leave will have died.
This is of course assuming all the young new voters vote to stay and all the oldies who have died were leave voter.

 

Thought I heard a few groans in the audience when she spoke up,otherwise thought there was good support overall for leave..

 

Once again many in the audiance criticising the MPs for the situation we are in, don't get me started on the debate about language that was used on Wednesday, these people don't have a clue what goes on outside the Westminster bubble.
Each MP saying they agreed we should work together not sure how that works one party want to deliver a clean brakeaway from the EU, whilst the other wanted to say within certain parts of the EU.
And of course the Lib/Dems saying they don't recognise the Referendum vote and if they get into power they will revoke Artical 50, thank goodness they will never achieve that goal.

 

The Lib Dems are a pain in the arse and should be treat as an irrelevance, especially after what Clegg did.

 

I don’t know anything about what they stand for, apart from their Brexit stance, they’ve become a single issue party, something the FBPE lot to get behind. It won’t end well, although it might pick them up a few seats, it won’t last..Same goes for the Brexit party, single issue, literally nobody could tell you anything about what they might do with education, for example.

 

Not disagreeing with the concept but get a little fed up with the arguement that a re-run of the referendum vote would give a different outcome, or even that a General Election would give the Labour party a majority government, they do need to get real and hear Labour voters concerns, they are so out of touch with the working man/woman.
Us oldies got pilloried for doing what most older people do and that is to use your vote, where as the younger end didnt get out in numbers but were quite happy on hearing the outcome to start their pathetic comments like " its our future the oldies shouldnt have been allowed to vote", at what age do these young people believe the oldies should be barred from voting 40, 50, 60.
If it does go to a General Election they can use their vote to cast it for a remain party and have the choice of Labour, Greens, Change, Scottish National Party, Plaid Cymru, Lib/Dems.

 

UKIP had similar one off success and then made the mistake of thinking they actually had a purpose when it was Farage people were really voting for. Problem at the moment we have one party who are utterly useless and one that gives the impression if they got to power would be just as useless.