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About not believing everything you're told, what are you denying then cos almost everything written on that list is fact and not my opinion. Did Wilder not go on record saying that he'll fight Whyte for 7M only to refuse later or did I dream that? Everyone in the boxing world from ex fighters to pundits know that Wilder refused to sit ring size for the AJ vs Parker fight and this has been confirmed from Sky themselves but they are all wrong and you know better? Did Wilders team not offer Joshua a £50M contract or was that all made up too?

You're also deluded of you think Joshua's going to go from fighting Molina for £30M to Deontay Wilder for 15M and put all 3 of his belts on the line aswell. That's madness. Don't be fooled, fighter don't risk their lives for our entertainment, money talks and Joshua will rightly take the fight when he gets a fair deal. As do all the other fighters on the planet

 

It's AJ who needs to lose weight, not Ruiz. It's a fight, not a body building competition, AJ was out of gas after round 3.

 

Joshua's weight has fluctuated since he turned professional, it hasn't remained static. In his first professional fight he was 16st 6lbs at the weigh in. Against Carlos Takam he weighed in at 18st 2lbs. Against Parker he was 17st 6lbs. Against Ruiz he was 17st 9lbs. He has gained a lot of muscle mass over the years. Like Bruno he has a great physique, but if he's knackered three rounds into the fight and a flabby Mexican is still showering him with punches what good is all that muscle going to do? I'm not saying he needs to go back to being 16st 6lbs, but he could do with dropping a few pounds and focusing on cardio instead of weight lifting. Ruiz doesn't need to lose weight, he's always been a fat guy and he can still go twelve rounds in that body.

 

Not sure how it will go, just hoping for a good fight

 

So I he the real deal ?

 

As with football you can only beat whats in front of you, why should he have go to the states to defend his belts AJ is now the biggest pull within heaveywieght boxing, so many times in the past British boxers have had to go to the states to get a crack now it's the other way around, 80,000 under the lights at Wembley big pay day and more of his fans get to see him live.

I thinks its the other way around Dillian Whyte beat Joshua back in there amateur days ?.

 

AJ has the belts and is arguably the top name in the division so why should he have to chase anyone to America?

He's the man to beat and I applaud him for keeping the big fights in Britain where we can all watch them at a decent time instead of having to wait up until 4 o clock to suit the American audience.

 

Have you been keeping up to date with the story?

The Wilder camp have already had an OFFICIAL offer from Eddie Hearn which has been confirmed to be at £15M. They declined it on the basis that they wanted 50/50, which is ludicrous when you consider the profile of both fighters.

 

Splits aren't based on a boxers CV or even ability. Joshua is by far the bigger name in boxing and will therefore generate the overwhelming majority of money In the pot. The bigger name always gets the bigger split because they are entitled to it. Those are the terms that almost every single fighter fights under. Why should Joshua get his arse spanked and be any different?

Typically, Wilder earns 3M a fight, Joshua earns 30M. Wider fights in small arenas, Joshua fills out stadiums. Joshua sells 1M+ paper per views fight, Wilder doesn't even fight on PPV and you think that they both deserve 50/50? Why would AJ work towards becoming the biggest name in boxing and then just give it all away? He/Matchroom/Ediie Hearn are not a charity and one man is pricing himself out of the fight.

 

If Joshua and his team were backing out of the fight as you've claimed, then they wouldn't have made an offer in the first place. If Deontay Wilder is only willing to take the fight on terms he quite clearly doesn't deserve and terms which massively disfavour Joshua, then MOST of the blame lies with Wilder for the fight not taking place.

The offer is just one thing of many. Wilder blatantly doesn't want it, and you'd know this from the series of events which have taken place since the Parker fight. The whole episode reflects poorly from his side. In short:

*Eddie Hearn sent Shirley Finkle an email and contract in order to get the fight made and he didn't respond. Not even to discuss alternatives to the offer and to try and reach an agreeable deal. How is the fight supposed to get made when one side doesn't want to negotiate?

*When Hearn wanted to make the Wilder vs AJ fight, he invited Wilder to sit ringside for the Joshua vs Parker matchup and he refused. Why wouldn't he want to build the fight up if he really wanted it?

*A 'fake' £50M offer went in from the Wilder camp. A) they refused to state where the funds were coming from and B)They didn't set out or reveal any of the terms. Obviously, you can't just sign a contract without knowing the conditions first and Finkle knows this. Wasn't this just a way to make it look like they want the fight without actually wanting it?

*Wilder has an extensive history of ducking fighters. You only have to look at the fighters he's said no to fighting and his shocking CV to establish this. Additonally, just under a year ago, an offer from Matchroom went in for him to fight Dyllian Whyte. He refused and said he'll take it for £7M. Hearn originally said no, later changed his mind and then offered him £8M to gaurentee the fight. Deontay Wilder still declined the offer despite getting offered more than what he wanted. Can you see the similarities here?

*Wilder is pricing himself out of the current fight by asking for unreasonable terms.

Why he fight isn't taking place is blantantly obvious and I'm not sure how AJ gets most of the blame.

 

Didn't stop up to watch it but you do have to think he did, you only had to look at him and compared to AJ he look a fat lump and hardly in condition to challenge for several World Championship belts .
On the tv this morning he said he was still pinching himself as he could not believe he'd won, but fair play the lad did the business

 

And why would he need to do that because he's lost the first fight in his pro career, his record with all that weight is 22 wins from 23 fights, 22 KO and you think he's over weight, sorry I can't agree.

 

He was blowing out of his arse early doors, that muscle burns oxygen pretty quickly.

 

I would hope it goes beyond the early rounds, but I think it's a bit of a miss match, from what I've seen of
Dillian Whyte or Dereck Chisora I think either would beat Povetkin.

 

It will be a backward step if he has to fight Dillian Whyte rather than a chance of unifying the belts, AJ didnt sound convinced with Hearns ability to get the fight sorted.

 

I think it was AJ's camp who backed out of fighting Wilder, not based on fact but based on Wilder agreeing to fight Fury. That is a high risk fight imo, as he will get less coverage and money and I'm yet to be convinced AJ is actually better than Fury who is as awkward as they come to fight.

AJ himself said after Parker that he has no reason to fight away from London, the best aren't scared to go to places like Madison Square Garden and Vegas. He took a fight against someone who's 39 and past their best, just like Klitschko was although that was still a good win. He beat Dillian Whyte when as a fighter he was still wet behind the ears and in his own words he was far more unprofessional back then, he looked a class above against Parker, someone AJ hid behind the jab against.

He might be the golden boy because he won gold, which is a great achievement considering some who have won it throughout history. But he's got someway to go to prove he can be a great to me, and at the minute he looks like someone who's more bothered about his record than taking the blockbuster fights. Go to Vegas and fight Wilder, beat him then I'll be impressed don't hide at home fighting in the same place under the same promotion every fight.

 

Yes Whyte beat him in him amateur days, but in their first professional match Whyte prepared terribly which is his own fault. But by all accounts he's training far more professionally now, and looks 10x better than when they last fought. It would make a far more interesting fight than whoever else is the next "mandatory" challenger.

 

He doesn't have to go anywhere, but if he wants the great fights sitting in the same arena fighting the next mandatory challenger protecting his record isn't going to do it. He was more Jonny Nelson than Mike Tyson against Parker, time for him to step out of his comfort zone. Golovkin did it twice even with a perfect record, and him against Alverez was a far more memorable fight than anything Joshua has fought in.

 

I agree there first meeting as professionals was a good battle whilst it lasted, Dillian looking very dangerous when throwing punches, the Whyte/Chisora fight was on a par with anything we've seen recently, two big heavyweights knocking lumps out of each other.
I personally believe if that match did get made Dillian would be a dangerous opponent as Joshua has had recently Whyte would certainly take his preparation far more seriously in a rematch.