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Learn to ignore @YungNath, weird doesn't even come in to it....
Found his ballot paper..

 

https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2018

In 2016, Jo Cox, the Member of Parliament (MP) for the Batley and Spen constituency was murdered by Thomas Mair, who was motivated by pro-Apartheid white nationalist, neo-Nazi far-right political views and had connections to several far-right organisations in the UK, US, and South Africa such as National Vanguard and English Defence League (EDL).[137]

On 16 December 2016, Home Secretary Amber Rudd designated the far-right, neo-Nazi group National Action (NA) as a terrorist organisation which criminalises membership or support for the organisation.[138] On 12 June 2018, Jack Renshaw, 23, a former spokesperson for National Action, admitted in a guilty plea to buying a 48 cm (19 in) replica Roman gladius (often wrongly referred to in the media as a machete) to murder Rosie Cooper, the Member of Parliament (MP) for the West Lancashire constituency.[139]

In June 2017, Darren Osborne drove a van into a crowd leaving a mosque in Finsbury Park, north London, killing one and injuring nine others. Darren Osborne had acquired far-right material from Tommy Robinson's Rnglish Defence League (EDL) and Jim Dowson and Jayda Fransen's Britain First Party (BF).[140][141]

In March 2018, Mark Rowley, the outgoing head of UK counter-terror policing, revealed that four far-right terror plots had been foiled since the Westminster attack in March 2017.[142]

In February 2019, an unnamed 33 year old was arrested in West Yorkshire "as part of an investigation into suspected extreme right wing activity".[143]

I can quote stuff off wikipedia too

 

So you've spoken to them have you?

 

Did you find that all by yourself? Well done mate!

 

I cannot tell you how much I disagree. I've never advocated violence, I've never minimised the threat we face from Islamic terror, my sincerely held opinion is that under the current political climate we are under greater threat from right wing extremism, as is proven to be the case in the US. If you look at the stats globally then there's just as much nasty shit going on in the name of God as there is Allah.

As I've said, it's not just islamic terror it's organised religion as a whole. Hundreds of millions have been killed in the name of God the same as Allah, it's why I detest organised religion. Spirituality and religion in and of itself is a great source of comfort to many, yet when it gets organised the killing and intolerance of the other begins.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/5373525/Tony-Blair-believed-God-wanted-him-to-go-to-war-to-fight-evil-claims-his-mentor.html

You were saying?

We in the west have tried to invade the Middle East countless times for literally thousands of years (crusades for starters) and it has never ever worked. Go have a look at Manifest Destiny in the US as well because that was all in the name of God. Then look at people like Cecil Rhodes in Africa, from the glory days of the British Empire.

The reality is that you're blind to the horrible things that have been done in God's name just like Islam. My aunt's a follower of Islam and I've sat and discussed the Quran and various hadiths with her several times to gain greater insight into the religion. As per, its the man made distortions of the word of God that cause all the violence i.e Wahhabism, same as Christianity. As I posted earlier, places like Saudi Arabia adhere to this form of Islam which is where a lot of the repressive traits of the faith stem from as the guy that came up with it was a certified nutter. It's also why they're forever scrapping with places like Iran, who follow a different and ironically slightly more moderate doctrine. Both religions have the potential for peace but some of the worst atrocities ever committed have been done in the name of God, Allah, whatever you want to call it. They're the same thing anyway and there's a lot of crossover in both of their principal religious texts. As I said above, my beef is with organised religion as a whole because that's what kills people regardless of which deity they say they're doing it for.

A little read on wahhabism which also explains my distaste for Saudi Arabia to some extent

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

 

Aye mate we see the world differently but that's no bad thing, and we do want the same goal so it's nice to hear that from someone with an different opinion.Hard to disagree on things without one side getting personal these days so this is quite refreshing.

It was as much about politics and uniting western europe which was riven by internal conflicts at the time of the first crusade. If it hadn't been the Muslims, they'd have started a crusade and said the Christians living there weren't proper Christians because it was always about the land, the wealth and the politics and not God. Evidenced by the treatment of the Governor of Edessa and some of its outlying villages during the First Crusade. God was just a convenient plot device to many involved, although some were genuinely motivated by religion.

Which hadith as there's a few, both in terms of collections and individual teachings.

You said the Iraq war and our adventures in the Middle East weren't religiously motivated, I simply provided evidence to show that the ones starting wars were very much religiously motivated. I only went so far back because the pattern of us fecking about in the Middle East goes that far back. If we'd have only been doing it decades I'd have only gone back decades, but we've legitimately been at it for something like 1500 years at this point. It also doesn't make much sense to me to debate the finer points of a religion and not look at it in its entirety, rather than just a few decades.


As you said though, fun debate but we agree to disagree.

 

He gets hate from the left of the party because he got in to power and did hell of a lot of good for people, He took action when others wanted endless meetings not to offend anyone,
The Balkans was relevant because while the world looked on BLAIR PERSONALLY took the decision not to wait for the massacres to end while endless meetings took place he acted to stop it and save what would have been genocide,
As for Corbyn who cares what he thinks? He is at best a dangerous looney and will never be in power, The next Labour leader Kier Starmer already has knives in his hands and sharpened waiting

 

When has anyone on the left said we hate Blair for the good that he did. Come on man seriously. Please provide evidence for that or I'll call it out for the BS I believe it to be. I've literally just posted an article above that describes how bloody God told Blair to do all this stuff. as much as we're a nominally Christian country I would rather have an evidence based approach to foreign policy instead of a large, possibly fictitious man in the sky. They've had knives in his back and his front (Jess Phillips has actually said that before) on a daily basis since he was elected. And guess what, he's still here and half the bellends who keep trying to get him out are nowhere (Hi Owen Smith!).If you think a man that keeps an allotment and has a cat called El Gato is a dangerous looney then I'll have what you're smoking. As it happens, I think Keir Starmer would make a good leader but I'm not familiar enough with his policies to say much on that front.

What I will say is that I don't think he should be leader for the simple fact that the media has it in for him big style (there's been peer reviewed research into this which I recommend you read) and will never give him a fair hearing. He doesn't have the nous or charisma to really get around that so its just endless pelters for him and the party.

 

Yes like every one of his predecessors when this has happened, Like it or not the people of the USA believe in the freedom to bear arms and will not allow gun laws no matter what a President wants, Trump will do the same as Obama, Nothing

 

Oh. That’s alright then. All perfectly normal.

 

Nothing to do with the people of the USA who appear to be sick of being shot at by mental racist weirdos, and everything to do with the lobbying power of the NRA. Fortunately the NRA is on it's arse at the moment so we should see some kind of progress on policy for once.

Also, what is wrong with Trump :
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-tweet-el-paso-dayton-shooting-attack-latest-gun-control-law-immigration-reform-a9039651.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3pmcmg5cuSkDFtIRRxSyqbNB03AjtngSOHL3axZpbnawSAtHk1jzlnBOk#Echobox=1565003611

Doesn't even mention white nationalism and far right extremism, which is the overwhelming majority cause behind these shootings. Wouldn't expect anything else from a man who with his father, refused to rent property to black people for being black.

 

Back to topic

It seems that the country is now being led by an unelected defacto PM and im not talking about Boris. Personally i think this talk from Mr Cummings and Boris about ignoring the constitution and essentially forming a dictatorship is really quite dangerous.

I ask everyone, is this really what you voted for? Is this mess worth it? are you happy if you voted leave or are you slightly ashamed about how you voted for us to become the laughing stock of the world? I know I would be. Its a disgrace.

 

hth?

 

Hope that helps.

 

Im not trying to shame anyone im saying I would be. Its an opinion, dont be so precious.

 

Still holding on to that argument?

I never once spoke of a second referendum i asked if people were still happy with their decision. Under any other time pre brexit if the government acted the way it is now then there would have been hell to pay. Yet Brexit, an untested ideal is so precious that people throw their values out of the door. Its desperate and deep down i think you know it.

 

Wouldn't worry about Corbyn, sure if he got in that the security services would arrange for him to take a ride through a Parisian underpass or similar..

 

48% of the population are remainers you think we will just go quietly? are you that naive?

 

We forgive them (not) as they didn't know what they were voting for......