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Match Thread Away vs Grimsby town - Tue 22 December 7pm kick off

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by How, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. WilsdenBantam

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    Cheltenham should have been award 3 points straight away, then you can bet your life they would have played us and this wouldn’t be happening. It would also have sent a warning out to the rest of the football league, instead we probably won’t finish the season as the tactic will be employed multiple times if they get away with it.

    I had hoped Baldwin coming in might sort this sort of idiotic nonsense from the EFL out, I know Rome wasn’t built in a day but come on this is basic stuff.
     
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    While I agree that certain clubs are gaming the situation is it not the case that games have been postponed in the past when illness has swept through a club and they're unable to put out a competitive team? I may be wrong but I don't remember clubs being awarded the game in those circumstances.
     
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    The difference been that most of the squad were I'll and not one player with covid .
     
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    Dunno but surely the club has to submit a medical report to the FL rather than simply cancel the game themselves. I remember Middlesbro not fulfilling an away fixture and the 3 points being awarded to their opponents but think that was due to an injury crisis.
     
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    Yes, I agree. Grimsby should have had to apply for the game to be postponed and the EFL should have looked at the evidence Grimsby produced, supported by medical assessments, and made a decision. If that didn't happen and Grimsby called the game off unilaterally then they should have the book thrown at them and we should be awarded the game. We need to know the full facts to reach a judgement.
    In addition, the EFL should make it crystal clear to clubs and fans just what their protocols are regarding cancellation of fixtures due to the virus. Perhaps they have but I haven't seen them anywhere.
     
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    I remember a certain club having their FA Cup game postponed 2/3 times and the then manager of our opposition said "we shouldnt be in the competition" said team then went on to kick them out of the FA Cup at their place :whistle:.
     
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    At least the match eventually got played which is a must in my eyes...Good 'ole golden boots McGinley...!!
     
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    MC Niven wasn't it. Classic rolling over of John Bond.
     
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    No, it was Billy McGinley
     
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    I see Rugby Union have acted decisively. The actual impact on Sale of having to cede the game, is far greater. They could have won a place in the Finals.

    “It means Worcester are awarded a 20-0 win and Sale miss out on the play-offs”. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54373489
     
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    Indeed. They acted promptly because they have a clear protocol in place. What is the EFL protocol? Does anyone know?
     
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    Make it up as they go along, I think.
     
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    I believe that the EFL has very detailed protocols on how its clubs must operate during the pandemic; it was part of the conditions for the return of 'elite' sport.

    However, as far as I'm aware, those protocols don't cover the specifics of matches being called off, as there are already regulations to cover such issues and the bottom line is that it is down to the EFL to postpone matches, not the clubs.

    So, we are back to the two basic questions:
    1. who called off the match? and
    2. was the match called off due to any failures to follow the COVID-19 protocols?

    If the answer to 1 is the EFL then that is fine; if it was Grimsby then precedent suggests the match would be automatically awarded to City.

    If the answer to 2 is there were no failures then, again, that is fine. If there were failures to follow protocols by Grimsby, then a lot will depend on the nature and severity of those failures. In this case the punishment could range from a simple warning to awarding the match to City (although I think the latter would be unlikely - more likely to be a fine).

    The answer to question 1 should be easy for the EFL to answer and, if the answer was Grimsby, I would have expected the EFL to have made that clear by now. But then, this is the EFL we are talking about and, in recent times, their record is not particularly impressive.
     
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    This article suggests that Grimsby called off the match against Cheltenham. The wording implies that the EFL were the ones who made the decision in respect of the City game and the Hull cup tie. https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/grimsby-town-update-efl-investigation-4572853

    These two paragraphs suggest that something may not have been conducted as it should.......’
    There has been confusion though as to why the Mariners postponed their games, while other clubs – such as Stevenage – were able to go ahead despite recording more positive tests.

    In announcing the postponement of Town’s games, the EFL also revealed that an investigation would be taking place on the circumstances surrounding the decisions‘.


    That article is now four days old and if it was released mid afternoon, would suggest that the decisions were made late morning, if not earlier.
     
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    Clubs used to call games off with flu in the 70s and 80s but it used to be the same clubs or managers that did this. The football league got wise to the fact that if a team had a few injuries they got the club doctor to declare a flu outbreak. They then put a stop to clubs calling games off, I believe Bryan Robsons Middlesbrough were the last to do this and got deducted 3 points which got them relegated.
     
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    Which league game acts as a precedent for a cancelled game to be awarded to the other team? I don't see it anywhere specifically in the EFL's regulations.
     
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    Two interesting excerpts from that article, my italics.
    'The Mariners called off their game against Cheltenham last week'.
    'It was just a request from the EFL for information as to why we thought it necessary to apply to postpone the games.
    Some apparent inconsistency there.
     
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    The EFL guidance notes are very specific. Clubs cannot cancel or postpone games of their own volition. If clubs believe they can't fulfil the fixture (the usual reason is for a medical issue affecting the majority of the squad) they have to advise the EFL and it's then a matter for the EFL to decide. This is from the EFL's own guidance notes which accompany the detailed Regulations ..

    It is not permissible for a club to make a decision to postpone a match and in the first instance Clubs should contact the Football Services Department for advice.

    If a club doesn't fulfil a fixture and the EFL hasn't postponed the game, it then beomes a disciplinary issue for the EFL to action. Simple.
     
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    Scunthorpe United v Exeter City. Admittedly it's a long time ago, but then such occurrences are rare.
     
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