Most liked posts in thread: Adam Chicksen vs Conor Wood: Statistics

Fair comment. Although I think maybe Hopkin signed Woods knowing that McGowan was on his way, so in effect cover across all the back 4. It will be interesting to see who he picks at LB on Saturday if Woods is over his injury. I didn't go to Wycombe but suspect Chicksen may have done enough to keep his place.

 

I wasn't, but I watched on ifollow. For the most part, he was OK. But Wycombe's best chance came from a Chicksen mistake (the one that ended in O'Connors goal line block). Its about opinions - mine is that he's a poor player. Simple as that.

Caddis sets the sort of standard needed. He's 7/10 every week. Chicksen rarely if ever gets above a 6 and often switches off.

As for the rest - our form since the beginning of December looks good. If we can maintain it we'll be OK - but equally, we have a really tough run of fixtures in March.

If we go down, it'll be as a result of many things - most of which lay at Rahic's door. But in terms of player contributions, Chicksen has been among a clutch of players who've contributed little in terms of quality.

 

But for some reason the rest of that clutch of players (whoever you think they are) don't get the dog's abuse that Chicksen does.

 

Josh Wright gets more abuse than anyone. Reeves gets plenty. I've seen Miller called a 'headless chicken' and he's just won EFL young player of the month. So does Patrick. Brunker was a cult here for some - for me, and many others - purely on a quality basis he should never have been near this football club and its an embarrassment that he was. NKP has been called out a fair few times. Akpan took plenty of stick until the last couple of games where he's turned performances around.

Maybe its me missing it. I just don't see much 'abuse' aimed Chicksen's way. I just see lots of people calling him out for not being a very good player. Its nothing personal, I just don't rate him and would like to see him replaced with better. The same applies to several other players in the squad too.

 

Yes I get that, much the same way I can forgive Payne for letting his man go for the Burton goal. I think you and I will never see eye to eye on Chicksen, but at least we don't resort to personal abuse

 

He isn't a defensive player, but he does seem to have a defensive understanding with Caddis. We sit in the main stand almost level with the edge of the area so get a good view. They work really well together

 

If he was in the Josh Wright group in terms of effort do you really think Hopkin would be playing him?

 

The sort of stats you really want to see (but which are not available to joe public for League One) are number of key blocks and interceptions, tackles won, number of crosses they get in etc.

Maybe the club have access to these via the scouting system? Ive never seen the scouting system so not totally sure, but the matches are all recorded and we employ a performance analyst do we not?

Maybe the fact we signed Woods was a suggestion neither have fared very well on the stats??

 

I'm amazed if you don't see him bottle challenges every game. I've said many times I can tolererate him being a poor player but I can stand players who tin out of challenges, especially defenders.

 

I'm just offering a general opinion on Chicksen, not so much a direct comparison of him and Wood.

Caddis has been a revelation - but that's also relative to the rest of the time rather than what he's doing in isolation. Caddis isn't going to move to a bigger club, he won't win awards and he's generally steady rather than outstanding. Just what we need. It stands out all the more because other defenders have been so poor. At times O'Connor, McGowan, NKP and Chicksen have been schoolboy in their levels of defending. The difference with the 3 centre halves is that I've seen them have some very good games as well as some very bad ones. O'Connor was my MOTM on Saturday. With Chicksen, I don't recall him ever being better than 'ok'. Our problems won't vanish by replacing him - but it'll be a start along the right lines.

 

I agree. He certainly didn't bottle out of the challenge when his cheekbone got smashed nor when he picked up an injury at Fleetwood when their player got sent off. This Saturday at Wycombe there was certainly 1 hefty challenge he went in for.

 

To be honest both are poor defensively. We’ve suffered from a stream of opposition crosses raining into our box all season. Chicksen rarely if ever blocks the cross at source. One of the primary basic needs for a full back. He is lightweight and often bullied and targeted by opposition teams who switch play to his wing. They know.
Wood has been a disappointment too. He isn’t a solid left back either. Both played together at Luton and we were decimated there. My only hope is Wood has time to grow and improve. On the ball he looks ok. I’m looking forward to seeing Woods. Everything I’ve heard is he is a tenacious defender. It’s easy for players to be rated higher when you’ve not seen them play vs those you have in the same way that some players out of a struggling team appear better.
The simple facts are on this season to date I wouldn’t keep either wood or chicksen. We need better in order to progress. Hopkin will fix that given time.

 

It’s amazing. We have loads of decent league one players but we’ve been in the bottom four all season....

He’s not decent. He’s crap. He’s not alone - but he’s crap.​

 

It hasn’t helped the lad when he has come in to replace Meredith, who was arguably one of the best LB’s in league one while playing for us. Big shoes to fill, which unfortunately he hasn’t been able to step into. The fans are on his back because we were so used to being solid down that side, which we aren’t now, and his defunding ability is being questioned because he isn’t good enough.

 

If you take the last 2 months form and project that from the start of the season to yesterdays game we would be in a play off spot. Even if you take the form of the last 3 months and do the same we would be in 8 th position!
It's therefore pretty clear that our form for the first few months was abysmal. Just take the months of September and October. We played 11 games, a possible max. points total of 33. We managed just 4 points out of those 11 games. Contrast that with our last 11 games, we've secured 18 points. Play off form.
So why are we still in the bottom 4 ? Well it's obviously a combination of atrocious early season form and teams near the bottom of the league also improving - picking up points.

 

Sorry Jon but that’s just a load of rubbish. Those stats mean didly as you are comparing apples with pears.

Firstly, in the appearances where you have listed Wood as playing, how many of those were at left-back? He’s played in a fair few games according to those stats, yet he’s only actually started 11 times for us in the league.

Secondly, although the defence have kept clean sheets, how many crosses have come from the attacking team’s right side? That’s the type of stat we need here. It’s ok the likes of Caddis, McGowan, O’Connor clear the danger or make last gasp blocks, but that doesn’t show how much teams create chances from Chicksen/Wood’s side.

Now, if you or anyone else wants to compile a list of all the goals conceded and where the play started, i.e. left, right, middle, then your argument may have more substance

 

Since when did we get 4pts per game?

 

And again you insist that “ALL the metric data” means Wood shouldn’t start. Where is the ACTUAL evidence? The figures you have provided, means diddly in this argument, as many have already explained.

All folks are saying is that Chicksen has been caught out a fair few times this season. Some led to goals conceded, others were cleared by his team mates. He shirks tackles and rarely, if ever, it’s out the cross. Fans simply want Wood to be given the same chances that Chicksen has got. We have a better style of play these days and the defence looks a LITTLE more solid. Why shouldn’t fans want to see how Wood would do in the same position?