"Happy days are here again / The skies above are clear again / ..."
Well, let's not get too carried away, but cautious optimism would certainly be justified. This is the sort of segment one likes to document.
1st 10: 3-3-4, 11-11, 12
2nd 10: 3-2-5, 9-14, 11
3rd 10: 7-2-1, 15-7, 23
Home: 7-4-4, 16-13, 25
Away: 6-3-6, 19-19, 21
Total: 13-7-10, 35-32, 46
Leading at HT: 7-0-1, 16-6, 21
Drawing at HT: 5-6-4, 15-13, 21
Trailing at HT: 1-1-5, 4-13, 4
Leading at any point: 13-3-2
Trailing at any point: 2-2-10
(0-0: 3; Both led and trailed in same match: Stevenage (H), Exeter (H), Cheltenham (H), Exeter (A), Morecambe (H))
McCall: H: 2-3-4, 9-11, 9
McCall: A: 1-1-5, 6-12, 4
McCall: T: 3-4-9, 15-23, 13
Trueman/Sellars: H: 5-1-0, 7-2, 16
Trueman/Sellars: A: 5-2-1, 13-7, 17
Trueman/Sellars: T: 10-3-1, 20-9, 33
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Shows how important a good defence is -- tighten that up, and even a small improvement in scoring pays big dividends. (Also, to be fair, having suitable players suitably coached playing in their best positions.) We needed a good transfer window, and we got it; we needed better coaching, and we've got that as well.
We're now on pace for 71 points, which often is enough to get into the playoffs. And having gained 46 points, we are very close to a first objective, namely being safe from relegation (so far, 52 has been guaranteed safe in the 3-points-for-a-win era). If we want to grumble, then the record when trailing at the half, or at any point, could be better. But, one could say that just about every year, and given where we were...
Updated gaudy charts also show the improvements:
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We go again...
1st 10: 3-3-4, 11-11, 12
2nd 10: 3-2-5, 9-14, 11
Home: 3-3-4, 10-11, 12
Away: 3-2-5, 10-14, 11
Total: 6-5-9, 20-25, 23
Leading at HT: 4-0-0, 9-2, 12
Drawing at HT: 1-4-4, 7-10, 7
Trailing at HT: 1-1-5, 4-13, 4
Leading at any point: 6-3-1, 18-10, 18
Trailing at any point: 1-2-9, 7-20, 5
(0-0: 1)
Both led and trailed in same match: Stevenage (H), Exeter (H), Cheltenham (H)
McCall:................. H: 2-3-4, 9-11, 9.....A: 1-1-5, 6-12, 4.....T: 3-4-9, 15-23, 13
Trueman/Sellars: H: 1-0-0, 1-0, 3.......A: 2-1-0, 4-1, 4.......T: 3-1-0, 5-2, 10
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T&S have messed up my nice gloomy update! We are back to the giddy heights of muddling mediocrity, after flirting with being relegation certainties. Our current points pace will see us on 53; so far 52 has guaranteed safety. Today we won for the first time when drawing at the half; we need to do more of that. We also need to win more points when trailing at the half, or really, at any point in a match, but you could say that about us in most seasons. But in general, T&S have done exactly what was needed, and we can indeed think about entertaining the idea of becoming (cautiously) optimistic again!
Here's some colourful charts for the festive season.
First the Ronnie Brown chart, which shows us improving, but still a ways away from the "comfort" pace (which would actually get us into the playoffs in many seasons):
And secondly one which plots our progress against various targets. We are finally back over, albeit just, the pace for guaranteed safety.
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Bloody magnificent stuff @River_City_Bantam
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never thought I'd be able to say this just before Stuart got the sack but we are now matching the 19/20 season and exceeding the History Makers season. Right on course for the play-offs but I think we can do better
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Had a little look through recent history of L2 play offs to see how the teams who are in the POs in March, then how they end up at the end of the season. Skipped last season as it all ended around now, but after March 1st, the trend tends to be there are one or two teams who are outside the top 7 who make the march up the league and end up winning the play offs along with one of the top 3 dropping out.
This season will be very interesting due to everyone having games in hand on each other and the table being so close. But if recent history is anything to go by, one or two teams currently outside the spots will climb into the top 7.
18/19 1st March top 7 (34 games in)
Lincoln 1st - After 46 games they ended 1st
Bury 2nd - After 46 games they ended 2nd
Mansfield 3rd - After 46 games they ended 4th
MK 4th - After 46 games they ended 3rd
Exeter 5th - After 46 games they ended 9th
Colchester 6th - After 46 games they ended 8th
FGR 7th - After 46 games they ended 5th
Tranmere climbed from 9th to 6th (won POs)
Newport climbed from 15th to 7th
5 of the 7 were in place my this stage, 2 of top 3 went up automatically.
17/18 1st March top 7
Luton 1st - After 46 games they ended 2nd
Accrington 2nd - After 46 games they ended 1st
Wycombe 3rd - After 46 games they ended 3rd
Notts Co 4th - After 46 games they ended 5th
Mansfield 5th - After 46 games they ended 8th
Exeter 6th - After 46 games they ended 4th
Swindon 7th - After 46 games they ended 9th
Coventry were 8th, finished 6th (won POs)
Lincoln were 9th, finished 7th
5 of the 7 were in place, 3 of 3 autos stayed in place.
16/17 1st of March top 7
Doncaster 1st - After 46 games they ended 3rd
Plymouth 2nd - After 46 games they ended 2nd
Carlisle 3rd - After 46 games they ended 6th
Pompey - 4th - After 46 games they ended 1st
Luton - 5th - After 46 games they ended 4th
Exeter 6th - After 46 games they ended 5th
Stevenage 7th - After 46 games they ended 10th
Blackpool were 15th, finished 7th (won POs)
6 of the 7 were in place, 2 of 3 auto spots stayed as is.
15/16 1st of March top 7
Northampton 1st - After 46 games they ended 1st
Oxford 2nd - After 46 games they ended 2nd
Plymouth 3rd - After 46 games they ended 5th
Accrington 4th - After 46 games they ended 4th
Pompey 5th - After 46 games they ended 6th
Bristol 6th - After 46 games they ended 3rd
Leyton O 7th - After 46 games they ended 8th
Wimbledon were 8th, finished 7th (won POs)
6 of the 7 were in place, 2 of 3 autos spots went up.
14/15 1st March top 7
Burton 1st - After 46 games they ended 1st
Shrewsbury 2nd - After 46 games they ended 2nd
Wycombe 3rd - After 46 games they ended 4th
Luton 4th - After 46 games they ended 8th
Southend 5th - After 46 games they ended 5th (Won POs)
Bury 6th - After 46 games they ended 3rd
Newport 7th - After 46 games they ended 9th
Stevenage were 9th, ended 6th
Plymouth were 8th, ended 7th
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Musical accompaniment to this report by The Cure: "Grinding Halt"
1st 10: 3-3-4, 11-11, 12
2nd 10: 3-2-5, 9-14, 11
3rd 10: 7-2-1, 15-7, 23
4th 10: 3-3-4, 11-13, 12
Home: 9-6-5, 22-17, 33
Away: 7-4-9, 24-28, 25
Total: 16-10-14, 46-45, 58
Leading @ HT: 9-0-1, 21-7, 27
Drawing @ HT: 6-9-5, 20-18, 27
Trailing @ HT: 1-1-8, 5-20, 4
Leading at any point: 16-3-3
Trailing at any point: 2-4-14
(0-0: 4)
Both led and trailed in same match: Stevenage (H), Exeter (H), Cheltenham (H), Exeter (A), Morecambe (H), Newport (A)
McCall:
H: 2-3-4, 9-11, 9
A: 1-1-5, 6-12, 4
T: 3-4-9, 15-23, 13
Trueman/Sellars:
H: 7-3-1, 13-6, 24
A: 6-3-4, 18-16, 21
T: 13-6-5, 31-22, 45
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This was a disappointing segment, but as I just mentioned on the "T&S (soon) out thread", we are reverting to what seems to be the natural level for this side, mid-to-top-half of table. A promotion-winning side can afford perhaps one middling to poor segment in a season, at a pinch two if the rest of the season is brilliant, but we now have a third such middling/muddling segment. Some of that is down to the players, some to T&S. Upgrading of the former, and development in the latter, is needed over the summer and into next season.
Last segment we saw how even marginal improvement in scoring, coupled with great improvement in defence, leads to better results; now we went the other way, lost that improvement in scoring, and deteriorated in defence. We remain poor in rescuing draws or wins from trailing positions; T&S have three times gone into halftime trailing, and each time we have lost.
Still, they are on a points pace of 1.875, or 86 for a season; this is guaranteed play-off pace, and most seasons will get you promoted automatically. If the start of the season is factored in, the pace drops to 1.45, or 67; this is mid-table, with a very outside chance of sneaking into 7th.
And this segment confirmed that we are safe from relegation, barring doing something so bad that we get a lot of points deducted!
The gaudy charts don't like this segment either. Trying to include them this time crashes my spreadsheet and then Firefox, until I close the spreadsheet. C'est la vie.
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Back to the future...we began the season on comfortable relegation pace, 3-4-9, 15-23, 13, and ended the season on comfortable relegation pace, 3-4-9, 13-21, 13. For the 14 matches in the middle, we rose to record-setting, runaway champions, pace -- 10-3-1, 20-9, 33 -- and thank heavens for that. But everybody hit the "off" switch once safety was assured, and neither could the players find it in themselves to turn themselves back on, nor could the managers manage to make them flick that switch. In the end a wasted chance and season.
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1st 10: 3-3-4, 11-11, 12
2nd 10: 3-2-5, 9-14, 11
3rd 10: 7-2-1, 15-7, 23
4th 10: 3-3-4, 11-13, 12
last 6: 0-1-5, 2-8, 1
Home: 9-7-7, 22-19, 34
Away: 7-4-12, 26-34, 25
Total: 16-11-19, 48-53, 59
Leading at HT: 9-0-1, 21-7, 27
Drawing at HT: 6-10-6, 20-19, 28
Trailing at HT: 1-1-12, 7-27, 4
Leading at any point: 16-3-4
Trailing at any point: 2-4-19
(0-0: 5)
Both led and trailed in same match: Stevenage (H), Exeter (H), Cheltenham (H), Exeter (A), Morecambe (H), Newport (A), Port Vale (A)
McCall:
H: 2-3-4, 9-11, 9
A: 1-1-5, 6-12, 4
T: 3-4-9, 15-23, 13
Trueman/Sellars:
H: 7-4-3, 13-8, 25
A: 6-3-7, 20-22, 21
T: 13-7-10, 33-30, 46
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We were awful at rescuing draws or wins from losing positions, whether at the half or at any point in a match. Seven times under T&S we were trailing at the half, and not even a single point gained.
It's very disappointing, as some of the players did show that they were better than what the overall results and performances have been. WHat did a poster mention earlier? 91 days to the new season? We'll do it all again then!
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Oh but my we have problems. Donaldson, Guthrie and Novak injured up front. And I'm not that chuffed with them, when they're fit. So who do you play? DMH continues to be underwhelming. Clarke's played well, but is a bang on Number 10. Samuels has to be given more chances because a) he' been largely untested and b) we ain't got anyone else! Unless you think using Gareth Evans as front up striker is the answer. It was good to see three midfielders score in our Southend win, but that was a gimme game. Where are the goals coming from between now and Xmas folks?
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Good points and excellent charts.
Looking at the second graph, by my interpretation we'd need another 5/6 wins on the bounce to immediately begin tracking with the guaranteed play off point rate.
This puts into perspective how much damage the 10 game period from fixture 7 (Newport H) through to fixture 16 (Oldham A) has had.
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A right experienced campaigner in midfield alongside Watt and Cooke would do wonders for them both.
at 20 and 23 years old they need this for when games get tough.
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We've so far amassed 12 points from 10 games which if continued through the season would thankfully leave us several points above the relegation positions. Unfortunately, 9 of our 12 points have come from wins against bottom 4 clubs. At that rate, it's going to be a long season unless we can find a way to improve the quality of the squad, especially in the scoring department.How likes this. -
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Some colour to brighten things up...
Both show how we levelled off each time we threatened to make something good of the season.
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In terms of goals allowed our defence wasn't bad, but with an offence as offensive as ours, the defence would have had to have been brilliant. Another 20 goals on top of what we had would have done wonders. We have lost, or will (probably) lose, most of the scoring too this close season (Cook, Rowe, Novak, Donaldson etc.), so it's not just find another 20 to add, but find the first 50 or so...
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I think you can see from our results that we're above the bottom three (I'm not including Scunthorpe until we've played them and/or they've caught up on the number of games), but what's really worrying is that outside of that bottom three we've already lost to a pair of teams that have settled in between 15-20 in Barrow and Bolton.
Current evidence suggests we are absolutely no worse than 20th, but there's NOTHING to suggest we're better than that.
I get why people have been leaping to the 'relegation battle' scenario, but we can't underestimate how absolutely hopeless Mansfield and Southend are.
I also understand the reasons for pessimism about our chances to turn it round and at least be a top half side, which should be a bare minimum expectation - tonight we have seen the continuation of truly shocking performances from the likes of Clayton Donaldson (who we are actually relying on), and DMH. Add in that Guthrie has been hopeless since he signed, and how Stuart isn't pressing the panic button on our strike force I have absolutely no idea.
The midfield is physically weak and has been shut down by all competent opposition - Cooke should be looking at double figures given his ability, but he's a typical nosebleeder - Pritchard is a non-league player but one who is able to surprise the opposition on occasion, while Watt is nothing but a steady passer who is learning his craft and still getting it wrong in bad positions against better opponents.
Both lines need strengthening, but Stuart gives us absolutely zero hope of that happening.
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Cooke, Watt and Pritchard are a good midfield that compliment each other well with a mixture of skills and abilities, We now need to let it settle and it will improve as will the team and results,
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