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10-game segments, season 20/21

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by River_City_Bantam, Nov 3, 2020.

  1. River_City_Bantam

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    Well, I can't complain. The season began with a solid defensive display in keeping out Coronavirus City, 3-0. Then a family member make a stirring comeback against Arthritis Wanderers to earn a scrappy 1-1 draw. Two more wins followed, 1-0 against the Frost Devils and 2-1 against Weather Utd, as the last harvests and gardening works were completed. In a quirk of scheduling, the matches with Renovations Inc. followed one another; 3-2 and 2-0 wins. The good run ended with losses against Dentists Utd 0-2, Expenses Utd 1-5, and Gear Acquisition Syndrome City, 0-4. However, a good win against the Cold and Rainy Autumn Blues, 3-0, put things back on track. (I love my new guitar amp!) I make that a record of 6-1-3, 16-15, 19 points. Promotion material! :brig:

    Other sides, for example City, have not done so well.

    1st 10: 3-3-4, 11-11, 12

    Home: 2-2-2, 6-6, 8
    Away: 1-1-2, 5-5, 4
    Total: 3-3-4, 11-11, 12

    Leading/Drawing/Trailing at HT:

    Leading: 2-0-0, 6-1, 6
    Drawing: 0-2-1, 2-3, 2
    Trailing: 1-1-3, 3-7, 4

    Leading/Trailing at any point:

    Leading: 3-1-0, 10-4, 7
    Trailing: 1-1-4, 3-8, 4
    (0-0: 1; both led and trailed in same match: Stevenage (H))

    Today's win means that the start of a relegation candidate improves to that of a muddling (lower) mid-table mediocrity. So far, in the 3-points for a win era, the average points gained by the 23rd- and 24th-placed sides have been 43.2 and 37.7, the medians 44 and 39; the highest point-total for a relegated side has been 51. We are now on a pace for 55.

    There's no way to put a shine on the numbers; they disappoint, like the side. No need to repeat the problems here -- there's no shortage of threads in which they are mentioned! True, we are not, in general, being blown out, we do well with a lead, and if the midfield can keep on scoring like today they will help us greatly. But overall, this start suggests we'll be in this division again next season.

    RCB
     
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  2. JonButterfield

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    I think you can see from our results that we're above the bottom three (I'm not including Scunthorpe until we've played them and/or they've caught up on the number of games), but what's really worrying is that outside of that bottom three we've already lost to a pair of teams that have settled in between 15-20 in Barrow and Bolton.

    Current evidence suggests we are absolutely no worse than 20th, but there's NOTHING to suggest we're better than that.

    I get why people have been leaping to the 'relegation battle' scenario, but we can't underestimate how absolutely hopeless Mansfield and Southend are.

    I also understand the reasons for pessimism about our chances to turn it round and at least be a top half side, which should be a bare minimum expectation - tonight we have seen the continuation of truly shocking performances from the likes of Clayton Donaldson (who we are actually relying on), and DMH. Add in that Guthrie has been hopeless since he signed, and how Stuart isn't pressing the panic button on our strike force I have absolutely no idea.

    The midfield is physically weak and has been shut down by all competent opposition - Cooke should be looking at double figures given his ability, but he's a typical nosebleeder - Pritchard is a non-league player but one who is able to surprise the opposition on occasion, while Watt is nothing but a steady passer who is learning his craft and still getting it wrong in bad positions against better opponents.

    Both lines need strengthening, but Stuart gives us absolutely zero hope of that happening.

    This IS the completed line up, at least until January.
     
  3. vin weasel

    vin weasel Squad Player

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    A right experienced campaigner in midfield alongside Watt and Cooke would do wonders for them both.
    at 20 and 23 years old they need this for when games get tough.
    Dean Marney???
     
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  4. JonButterfield

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    Agreed.

    There is no way Cooke, Watt and Pritchard is a good enough or well balanced enough midfield to finish top half.
     
  5. How

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    It would be interesting in the next 10 game segment how we do. Some real tough games now coming up. I think we’ve had an easy set of fixtures for our opening ten personally
     
  6. Dennis

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    There are plenty more tough games to come.

    We've so far amassed 12 points from 10 games which if continued through the season would thankfully leave us several points above the relegation positions. Unfortunately, 9 of our 12 points have come from wins against bottom 4 clubs. At that rate, it's going to be a long season unless we can find a way to improve the quality of the squad, especially in the scoring department.
     
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  7. trevor

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    Cooke, Watt and Pritchard are a good midfield that compliment each other well with a mixture of skills and abilities, We now need to let it settle and it will improve as will the team and results,
     
  8. hornseabantam

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  9. hornseabantam

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    Oh but my we have problems. Donaldson, Guthrie and Novak injured up front. And I'm not that chuffed with them, when they're fit. So who do you play? DMH continues to be underwhelming. Clarke's played well, but is a bang on Number 10. Samuels has to be given more chances because a) he' been largely untested and b) we ain't got anyone else! Unless you think using Gareth Evans as front up striker is the answer. It was good to see three midfielders score in our Southend win, but that was a gimme game. Where are the goals coming from between now and Xmas folks?
     
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  10. Stoneski

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    Gareth Evans???
     
  11. River_City_Bantam

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    We go again...

    1st 10: 3-3-4, 11-11, 12
    2nd 10: 3-2-5, 9-14, 11

    Home: 3-3-4, 10-11, 12
    Away: 3-2-5, 10-14, 11
    Total: 6-5-9, 20-25, 23

    Leading at HT: 4-0-0, 9-2, 12
    Drawing at HT: 1-4-4, 7-10, 7
    Trailing at HT: 1-1-5, 4-13, 4

    Leading at any point: 6-3-1, 18-10, 18
    Trailing at any point: 1-2-9, 7-20, 5
    (0-0: 1)
    Both led and trailed in same match: Stevenage (H), Exeter (H), Cheltenham (H)

    McCall:................. H: 2-3-4, 9-11, 9.....A: 1-1-5, 6-12, 4.....T: 3-4-9, 15-23, 13
    Trueman/Sellars: H: 1-0-0, 1-0, 3.......A: 2-1-0, 4-1, 4.......T: 3-1-0, 5-2, 10
    - - - - -
    T&S have messed up my nice gloomy update! We are back to the giddy heights of muddling mediocrity, after flirting with being relegation certainties. Our current points pace will see us on 53; so far 52 has guaranteed safety. Today we won for the first time when drawing at the half; we need to do more of that. We also need to win more points when trailing at the half, or really, at any point in a match, but you could say that about us in most seasons. But in general, T&S have done exactly what was needed, and we can indeed think about entertaining the idea of becoming (cautiously) optimistic again!

    Here's some colourful charts for the festive season.

    First the Ronnie Brown chart, which shows us improving, but still a ways away from the "comfort" pace (which would actually get us into the playoffs in many seasons):

    upload_2020-12-26_15-22-20.png

    And secondly one which plots our progress against various targets. We are finally back over, albeit just, the pace for guaranteed safety.

    upload_2020-12-26_15-24-26.png

    RCB
     
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  12. BCAFCTomo

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    Good points and excellent charts.

    Looking at the second graph, by my interpretation we'd need another 5/6 wins on the bounce to immediately begin tracking with the guaranteed play off point rate.

    This puts into perspective how much damage the 10 game period from fixture 7 (Newport H) through to fixture 16 (Oldham A) has had.

    It Leaves a big ask, but for now I'm pleased with how the team is performing and looking forward to watching the next match!
     
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  13. Ulysses S Grant

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    Someone is missing work badly
     
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  14. River_City_Bantam

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    Yes, the rolling 10-match line at that point had us at 1-1-8... We really did need to make a major change, and, sorry to say it, Stuart did seem to be a big part of the problem. He was also the easiest change to make. As you say, now we can look forward to matches again. The past four matches have shown that there is enough in the side as it is to remove fears of relegation, but they now have to keep to, at worst, the standards they've now set. It will be interesting to see how we do against Port Vale, as that is a match we should be regarding as winnable.

    * * * * *

    I see that there is a typo in the T&S record line in my post above; their away points should read 7, not 4.

    RCB
     
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  15. QCFC BANTAM

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    Love a great spreadsheet....
     
  16. River_City_Bantam

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    "Happy days are here again / The skies above are clear again / ..."

    Well, let's not get too carried away, but cautious optimism would certainly be justified. This is the sort of segment one likes to document.

    1st 10: 3-3-4, 11-11, 12
    2nd 10: 3-2-5, 9-14, 11
    3rd 10: 7-2-1, 15-7, 23

    Home: 7-4-4, 16-13, 25
    Away: 6-3-6, 19-19, 21
    Total: 13-7-10, 35-32, 46

    Leading at HT: 7-0-1, 16-6, 21
    Drawing at HT: 5-6-4, 15-13, 21
    Trailing at HT: 1-1-5, 4-13, 4

    Leading at any point: 13-3-2
    Trailing at any point: 2-2-10
    (0-0: 3; Both led and trailed in same match: Stevenage (H), Exeter (H), Cheltenham (H), Exeter (A), Morecambe (H))

    McCall: H: 2-3-4, 9-11, 9
    McCall: A: 1-1-5, 6-12, 4
    McCall: T: 3-4-9, 15-23, 13

    Trueman/Sellars: H: 5-1-0, 7-2, 16
    Trueman/Sellars: A: 5-2-1, 13-7, 17
    Trueman/Sellars: T: 10-3-1, 20-9, 33
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    Shows how important a good defence is -- tighten that up, and even a small improvement in scoring pays big dividends. (Also, to be fair, having suitable players suitably coached playing in their best positions.) We needed a good transfer window, and we got it; we needed better coaching, and we've got that as well.

    We're now on pace for 71 points, which often is enough to get into the playoffs. And having gained 46 points, we are very close to a first objective, namely being safe from relegation (so far, 52 has been guaranteed safe in the 3-points-for-a-win era). If we want to grumble, then the record when trailing at the half, or at any point, could be better. But, one could say that just about every year, and given where we were...

    Updated gaudy charts also show the improvements:

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    RCB
     
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    We were heading for disaster in the 2nd batch of 10 games under McCall, just 1 point in the first 6 games of that batch. Fortunately after the decision to sack him which followed the incredible decision to extend his contract, Trueman and Sellars picked up 10 points in 4 games to give us a respectable 11 points.
     
  19. Ulysses S Grant

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    Great work, but I beg to differ as to what we are on target for because it includes mccalls form. Based on T&S form we are on target to get 83
     
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  20. River_City_Bantam

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    Ta! But all credit to the players and staff; they make the stats, I just compile and organise -- a task that is a much more pleasant one nowadays.
    Yes; at our lowest we had a running 10-match line of 1-1-8. Admittedly there were injury problems, but recruitment, coaching, and tactics all needed to change, and, sad to say it, the sacking was needed.
    True enough, but we can't just wish away that first part of the season. Still, I hope your projected target turns out to be the right one!

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