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World war 3....

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by king karl, Feb 11, 2022.

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What will be the likely outcome

  1. Russia will back down

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  2. Ukraine will back down

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  3. It will drag on for years as is

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  4. Russia will fire nukes in Ukraine but NATO will not get involved

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  5. Russia will fire nukes in Ukraine and will be WW3

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  1. BradfordBanter

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    What do you mean by honest? The man reinvented history???
     
  2. Storck

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    Just seen that Putin is backing Biden in the US election
     
  3. BradfordBanter

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    Of course he isn't, he's trying to whip up the electorate into voting for Trump.
     
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  4. Offcomedun

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    I’m well aware that there’s a difference between being opposed to immigration and having neo-Nazi views. I well remember the National Front and British movement marches of the sixties, seventies and eighties. Many of those people were believers in Hitler’s views about Aryan racial superiority. There are still plenty of those people around in British far right groups of the type figureheaded by Tommy Robinson and his ilk. I can’t believe that you would seriously dispute this.
     
  5. River_City_Bantam

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    I can guarantee you that none of us with roots in such countries want to return to that. For starters, we all have too many missing branches already in our family trees... It is why it was so important, despite some disadvanteages, for all of those countries to get into NATO and into the EU as quickly as possible.
    For Putin and the Russians, lying is as natural as breathing to the rest of us, but sometimes the truth does come out. Putin has spoken of restoring the Russian Empire -- not, mark you, the USSR -- and in that we should believe him. At the moment, we still have the chance to stop him, with the Ukrainians doing all the hard work and the dying. If they fail, then we and our children will be doing the dying.

    There may be even more sides, but not all sides are equally valid, nor worthy of equal consideration. Putin is not Churchill, who could, and did, write books on history that remain worth reading. He is a dictator trying to justify his war on completely invalid, invented, grounds -- as is clearly and thoroughly pointed out by Snyder. When it comes to Ukrainian and related history, you can very easily do a lot worse than Snyder, but will find it hard to do better. The linked article is important.

    With easily-debunked pseudo-history.

    Carlson was the useful idiot, whose function was to get this particular piece of propaganda out to a wider audience.

    RCB
     
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  6. Offcomedun

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    Spot on.
     
  7. Rogered Tart

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    Like i said, two sides to every story. What you choose to read or believe is of course open to the individuals choice based on someones narrative. I've read the piece by Snyder, but then i've also read correspondence from others which paints a different agenda. No criticism on my part, i enjoy reading between the lines and making my own judgements.
     
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    Contrary to what western main stream media led us to believe, confidence in Vladimir Putin is at an all-time high from the Russian population with a landslide victory.

    The media choose to focus on pockets of protesters and make out that this is a wide-spread rebellion against Putin of some sort when in reality the vast majority of Russia support him.

    What's mightily hypocritical is all these claims of a sham election, when neighbouring Zelensky has literally cancelled Ukraine's election. Talk about undemocratic elections aren't directed in the right places.
     
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    Putin.jpe
     
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    All about narratives no matter which side you look at. As you get older you realise there is no such thing as news, merely agendas that are covered as 'news'. Putin is no worse than the likes of Blair or Bush, I don't watch news channels so I don't get blinded by the bullshit they broadcast.
     
  11. BradfordBanter

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    @bantamlad92@bantamlad92 Will be claiming it was a fair election right?
     
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    Why would you think otherwise?
     
  13. BradfordBanter

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    I assume you have seen the vote share?
     
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    Yes. What’s your point?
     
  15. BradfordBanter

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    Where else in the in the world that claims to be a democracy have you ever seen someone claim 87% of the vote? Let's not mention killing your closest competitor.
     
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    Somalia. Sudan. North Korea. What’s your point? :)
     
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    Small differences. The USA Superman can leap over tall buildings, whilst in the USSR Russia they have a 'superman' who gets others to leap out of tall buildings.
     
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    Why wouldn’t you?

    Any election with only one realistic candidate isn’t an election. Especially when the main opposition leader has just been bumped off.

    Your naivety, or Russian bias (whichever it is) is truly staggering.
     

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