Players taking the knee

Remember though two thirds don’t definitely want it to stop

 

Thats the most hilarious way of reading statistics I've ever seen!

 

I don't think the figures would really matter that much it's the opportunity to have a say that counts. It would certainly help if there was a consensus. I think the 'we're doing this and we're not bothered what anyone else thinks' attitude has not helped. This has been underpinned by some rather aggressive and insulting words from the likes of Lineker and Southgate towards those with differing perceptions of what the gesture represents.

By all means express your own beliefs and opinions in whatever way you see fit but if you are intent on doing it in a way that inherently represents a group then you must consult and gauge opinion. Not doing so displays the very attitudes that they purport to find so abhorrent.

 

What would you say if that poll was in favour of the current situation?

 

Is it really that much of an issue? Ten seconds (if that). Back up. Off they go. More important things to worry about that getting offended/angered by taking the knee

 

I agree, can’t believe this thread is still going.

 

well said.

 

I’ve read the entire thread. A lot of interesting opinions, a number of which I don’t agree with but interesting nonetheless.

My own take is this. I’m perfectly capable of differentiating between the BLM organisation and the broader movement/message of blm. As such, when Southgate and his players for example say why they take the knee, I’m happy to take that on face value. Arguing about movement vs organisation for me is just a distraction. As such, IMO it’s not for you, me or anyone else to tell them when it should stop.

It’s also for them to say why they do it IMO, not for people to say why they do it on their behalf. Southgate and the players repeatedly say why they do it yet the objectors determine it’s bringing politics into sport (it’s there already folks), it’s directly supporting the BLM organisation etc. Equally, why would they change the gesture simply because people want or choose to make that connection?

Now, what I do get is in principle why the conflation happens. @Aaron Baker has referenced it several times. However, I equally believe that it is very possible to make the distinction if you actually want to. This doesn’t lead to those disagreeing with the gesture automatically being racist though, because that’s a leap and then some. I do though struggle with those disagreeing with what I perceive to be a pretty straightforward gesture with a pretty straightforward message, but disagreeing is one thing. To overtly boo it however, IMO feels strange.

In terms of impact, Kick it Out - whilst of course having the right intention - rightly or wrongly never had anything like the exposure or impact this gesture has created. KIO say they support taking the knee. Yes it creates debate whenever it gets mentioned (this thread is decent proof of that and we’re just a bunch of supporters of a L2 club), but surely that’s kind of the point? It’s turned out to be an incredibly effective way of keeping the issue of racism continuously in the public consciousness for a year. That’s not happened previously in my lifetime that I can recall and I’m 45.

Its not to somehow suggest there aren’t other critical world issues, of course there are. But surely we can agree that the most basic principle of people being fairly treated regardless of skin colour should be an absolute human right? So when something very simple comes along to highlight that very fact - and that we’re not there yet - then for me I don’t see the problem with it.

 

The fact that you are finding elaborate ways to support the fight against racism suggests to me theres some sort of underpinning issue you wont admit.

Theres no surprise either that the amount of people who want it to stop are predominantly male and white. Its just like brexit all over again. The same crowd who spoke so vehemently for a shit idea now act the same about taking the knee.

At the end of the day the whole movement against racism in the past year has been about highlighting hidden prejudices. Its not about stopping people being overtly racist.

Thats why taking the knee is the right thing to do as the dissent from the likes of you highlights the issue in full. The fact you cant see that speaks volumes.

 

The anti racist becomes the racist,you can’t make this sh!t up - read what you have posted.

 

Id love to hear how im being racist. Go ahead...

Being that I am both male and white.

 

That’s no excuse,you came on here attacking other posters on racism and then went full rant male and white.

 

I'd noticed this thread over the past few days but hadn't bothered with it or voted. However after reading Clity's post I had to vote "definitely needs to stop now".

 

Tad snowflakey that. He said “predominantly” why are you getting your knickers in a twist?

you are offended that someone said most people who boo the knee are mainly male and white? I will say from personal experience, i haven't seen a woman or a POC boo it.

more than happy to be shown otherwise.

 

Why did you vote needs to stop? Because predominantly white men are being called out for booing?

 

Yet you claimed billions could be offended over the term chinky for a chinese takeaway.

 

Mate i never said that. If you actually read the thread properly, someone was suggesting that saying racist terms was in part justified due to Chinese genocide of Chinese muslims.

 

@Rogered Tart in case you missed it


XCIV_Bantam said: ↑
And people say an offensive word when they want a Chinese
This kind of shows where we're at with racism in the UK.

If you look at it with a wider viewpoint it shows how we're generally tinkering around the edges when judged on the global scale.

If the Chinese are offended by what the English shorten their takeaway name to while their government apparently ethnically cleanses thousands of Uyghurs indicates that the focus might be in the wrong areas.

And for the record I don't think I've said either of the things you've claimed are common practice behind closed doors in the last 20 years. Maybe I'm not part of "you all"?


In case you need it explaining what we do here is being directly compared with a genocide. As if the two are somehow linked… “they do X so Z isnt as bad” which is is poor.

You even liked the comment….