Brexit

Well we now see the true colours of our friends over the channel, the EU 27 are threatening not to allow pre-ordered and paid vaccines from AstraZeneca, and Pfizer suppliers to the UK and other countries, quote “It’s not about EU first. It’s about Europe’s fair share " "It would mean that vaccines that leave the EU need a permit" was that always the case, yet they didn't give vaccines the go ahead until today,


https://www.ft.com/content/ed0059c9-1ea5-4ba9-a1ff-88004b59e71d

 

And now apparent breaking the Brexit deal to stop vaccines entering Northern Ireland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442

I thought the EU were petty and controlling but I didn't expect it to show itself quite so quickly.

 

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

This could be the beginning of the end many EU countries are reported to be watching how the UK performs out of the EU and may follow, the UK and other countries have been vaccinating for weeks whilst the EU boffins ponder if the vaccine was safe for use.

 

This is a silly move by the EU and has a feeling of spite about it, they may well regret it in the future as it gives the UK the right to use it as a precedence

 

So it is the EU that suspends the NI protocol first creating barriers against free movement of goods between The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
After a year saying it was the UK that was going to do it is the EU.

 

Looks like the EU are going to put the block Northern Ireland who the last time I looked were still alignment with the EU, which makes it even worse.

 

Beat me too it.

 

Maybe we should have got out with no deal, the EU know we'll make a success of Brexit and that's one thing they are worried about UK doing well and other EU countries follow in the future.
BBC just reporting if they do that with other countries like Japan or any other country that want the vaccine it could turn really nasty.
It will be interesting to hear Biden's take on this situation with regards the NI protocol creating barriers against free movement of goods between The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.

 

The EU must be mad they are suggesting the vaccines are needed by the EU countries and will stop vaccines coming to the UK and other countries that have ordered the vaccine, then claim that vaccine made in the UK must go to the EU first where they have shortages, I'm with you @trevor we dont allow vaccine out of the UK until our orders are completed, we can play the EU at their own game.

 

I'm sure there were a lot more posters on her he extolled the virtues of the EU as an honourable and right-thinking organisation. I seem to remember a lot of interest in the Irish border and sticking to the terms of the Brexit deal as well.

They seem to have gone missing for the last few days. I hope they're all okay!

 

Again, unless you voted to make vaccine acquisition more efficient - this could easily have gone either way.

Quite clearly the EU have cocked this up pretty dramatically. If we had cocked it up then we would be doing the same thing to them, vaccine nationalism would cut both ways. It doesn’t make it right, but nor does it mean that it’s necessarily indicative of anything else being outside the EU.

There’s an argument that the EU acting ruthlessly selfishly actually strengthens the argument to be on the inside the tent pissing out than being pissed on. On the contrary, I don’t recall people voting for Brexit so the UK would be able to become a paragon of virtue.

At some point we’re going to *@?$ something up, it’s going to happen. It doesn’t really alter the dynamics of the decision.

As I’ve said, it’s in everyone’s interest to defuse this row as quickly and painlessly as possible.

 

This nullifies the argument that the EU is a friendly competitor, They are determined that the UK are seen as a struggling nation to deter others from leaving, They are a competitor and will do all they can to come out on top and teach the UK a lesson, After all the Mafia like commission has an interest in keeping the UK down to control the rest,
We must always remember the EU is friendly when it wants to be and a competitor the rest of the time its politicians and bureaucrats treat with suspicion.

 

Did the EU expect their quotas of vaccine put on one side until their medical people gave it the OK (the same medical people who didn't pass it off until yesterday) to start mass injection of the vaccine, of course not it was rightly rolled out to the countries that were happy to use it, now the EU have come to acknowledge the vaccine is OK they want their full quotas before anyone else, that can't be right, and then to try and use the NI protocol as a bargaining chip is despicable.
Your right it is in everyone's interest to get this situation sorted but I think many countries around the world see what they have tried to do and maybe the EU has gone down in their estimations.
It has to be a world wide effort as the medical people are saying it is no good the rich countries of the world eradication Covid in their countries as eventually it will return from countries that were unable to get rid of the virus, the rich countries must finance a world wide vaccine program.

 

You viewpoint doesn't work.

It's not that people voted specifically fot vaccine acquisition, clearly nobody did.

But you can't ignore what this represents. That overly beuracratic and complex ideals bringing together countries of different capabilities causes as many, if not more, problems than it solves.

Also the tent analogy doesn't work. It a reason for joining "bad" establishments that are petty and centred on self interest. Without meaningful democratic votes you can't change it from within so leaving the tent and showing the ridiculous things that go on within it is surely the more progressive idea.

Of course it's in every ones interest to defuse it but it's worthwhile remembering how it came about in the first place.

 

It shows the true nature of the EU, It is a bully who believes might is right and believes the EU should be treat better than any other country, Thank god we are out of this mess of an organisation

 

I wonder what all those celebrity lefties and Labour MP's who blasted Boris last summer for not signing up to the EU Vaccination programme. He was lambasted for 'playing with peoples lives' for deciding to go it alone.

The vaccine stats prove that Boris was right all along, stuff the EU

 

No, it is pertinent. This issue just conforms to how you expect an ‘overly bureaucratic institution’ to perform, there’s nothing institutional about either the UK or the EU that’s led to things being this way around. Plaudits have to be given to the UK for executing a decent strategy and criticism to the EU for the way it has handled the situation, but it’s nothing really to do with bureaucracy, they just didn’t plan it properly and didn’t insist on the right preconditions for agreement.

This is clearly not a normal situation, and this doesn’t really validate Brexit one way or the other. There’s potentially (and stress, potentially) now an argument to suggest that in one-off crises then we possess the ability to act more nimbly, but I think the Brexit argument was predicated on experiencing more normal times than pandemics.

 

Isn’t this just an exposition of capitalism?