COVID-19

It’ll probably be that weasel Gove - they seem to have been keeping him out of the spotlight more recently so he isn’t tainted by this current shit show.

 

Your right, there’s no good way...but there’s plenty of bad ones, and we seem to be working our way through them.

 

I'm not sure. It's a changing picture with uncertain results but people expect consistency and certainty.

Equally nobody has yet provided any alternative actions that would give a golden solution that isn't based on an element of hindsight.

 

The Times here, shilling for him, going after the sympathy


Just the 150k a year, the one cleaner and the nanny they can barely afford

I’m setting up a gofundme page as we speak..

 

Thanks for posting .

This is what I have been arguing for months to great resistance (because it suggests the virus might not be much more deadly than flu) but acceptance seems to be growing that T-cells are significant. Epidemiological statisticians said early on that there had to be some resistance or immunity out there because the spread profile was not as strong as models predicted. Something was slowing spread and it peaked too soon. From June, papers about T-cell immunity started appearing. They fit the bill nicely.

I think the article underplays it slightly with the numbers. Antibodies could have been even higher in New York, etc. if you allow for fading. Test everyone at their peak and you might have got 30% in New York (and 20%+ in London). In a hard hit part of Brasil, they found 40.4% but it was probably with very high initial loads in cramped housing and far from average. Also, one T-cell study suggested T-cells might fight the virus in twice as many cases as antibodies - a bit higher than the figures offered in this article. Other than that, the article sums up very well the view I've taken for about 3 months.(Except it does not mention that T-cells might explain why immigrants have weaker immunity in the UK from less historical exposure to prevailing UK coronavisus. They might not have built up the same T-cell reponses as locals through fewer or different exposures elsewhere.)

T-cell immunity to Covid seems to be gaining some acceptance. That does not mean it's right, though. Science is not about votes. It's a speculation at the moment but it's one I think fits virus spread very well. It might still be years before we know whether it is right or not.

(London could also have nearly reached herd immunity if 30-60% fight it off with T-cells and no testable antibodies, and then another 20%+ have already fought it off with antibodies, with an increasing number of them testing negative for antibodies as time passes - though that could rise again if they get re-exposed and memory cells are stimulated to make antibodies again without them showing significant illness. T-cells making up most immunity and antibodies making up only a large minority of maybe 20-40% might explain why London and some other cities have had a very low infection density in the second wave so far as rural areas have taken a bigger share than in the first wave. Rural areas might still have a large chunk of population to get it that have less immunity from antibodies, and maybe even less T-cell immunity if they avoided previous cold exposures, too.)

 

The T Cell issue is interesting but the problem is that it doesn't draw any girl conclusion at this time.....especially to herd immunity.

The most likely analysis from the T cells to me seems to be that it answers why people are asymptomatic. It would make sense that if some people have an internal reaction where it remembers how to fight other coronavirus then that would make sense.

The issue with them as always been that it doesn't show that you can't carry and spread the virus. Just that the effect on that person is lessened. If that's the case they don't provide any new information that we don't know, just that some people fight it off easily and some people suffer more extreme symptoms.

 

Retail staff in most places are told not to challenge over masks as it isn’t worth the abuse or violence.

before Covid over 400 retail staff were assaulted every day, god only knows what it has been during it all

 

My wife works in a charity shop and they refuse to let anyone in who won't wear a face covering. The other day one knobhead spat on his hands when asked to sanitise before coming in.

 

Here is the problem though.

If retail are not going to take it seriously then they need to be fined.

We're not going to get anywhere with these half measures. Either let people decide how they want to go about this virus or make strong laws but you can't have some people chilling without masks but others wearing.

People shouldn't be allowed in shops if no masks - period.

 

In which case the police should enforce it. Retail staff do not enforce laws, they follow them. To put the responsibility on stores would need the law changing and worded like alcohol sales. Two offences, one buying under age and another selling to an underage person

 

And this what needs to happen The law needs changing while Covid is about.

Honestly, we can talk infection rate all we want but it's not going to reduce if people are picking and choosing what they want to do.

 

I said as much during the first Government guild lines they should have carried a fine if broken.

 

Yes Tony going and Gordon taking over comes to mind.

 

Funny isn't it, somebody walked into a supermarket with a gun then everyone would go crazy and the supermarket would call the police etc but someone walks into a supermarket with no mask that could be carrying a hidden killer some supermarkets think it's acceptable.

We either all follow the rules or we don't. The government need to come down hard on the retail sector. This lets please everybody needs to stop and stop now!

 

But if police aren’t enforcing the current face mask law what makes you think they would enforce your new version. And if they are going to do that just get them to enforce the current one instead

 

It is the police not doing their job, not retail. So following your logic the government needs to come down hard on the police.

 

But the retail are not telling the police.

The retail are just letting people in. So as I say if someone walked in with a gun then the retail would inform the police. The supermarkets/retails are taking the mick and have done since the start of all this.

 

New cases have now been flat to falling for nearly two weeks.

They've opened a sixth testing lab and are clearing the backlog, causing a surge in tests processed but many of the new cases are not yesterday's samples. New cases by correct date are still trending flat to down since the September 7th peak of 3846. Since then tests have risen from 190k to 270k. Yes - the high was 12 days ago despite a big rise in tests. We've had 12 days of ignorant shrill panic from media (and government?) using case figures that are listed by delayed processing dates rather than their correct sampling dates, while the processing delays might also decrease accuracy. Scotland still has a steady uptrend with cases logged by sampling date, though. And why was there a jump in the first week of September?.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases