Brexit

Hope not, 2nd referendum would have no credibility...

 

To be fair the way they have performed the 1st has little credibility.

 

Exactly...as you know, all us brexiteers are far too thick to have the opinions that we have, we don't know what we're doing.....

 

So, in truth, has this whole negotiation to leave EU gone as you expected/hoped when you voted to leave?

 

Not for me, I was happy to go along with Camoron's explanation "if you vote leave we come out of the EU and the customs union", that does not seem to be the case with the customs union, I could understand it might take more time, but then not to be able to exit without the EU blessing is a none starter, were still in the customs union with all that represents and can't leave unless the EU say so.

 

Hi. Would you explain what are the advantages of leaving the customs union? What is so good about leaving the single market? I believe you sit just a couple of rows behind me in EXJ, when I am there, (I've not yet completed my move back home to Yorkshire) and you could tell me all about it.

 

Absolutely.........not

 

Exactly. So it’s not a question of people who voted to leave being thick or stupid. The issue is that people who voted to leave were voting for something that has proven to be completely undeliverable. Therefore, having another referendum, now that it is much clearer what the leave “deal” will actually look like, makes a lot of sense.

 

Disagree, it wasn't 'undeliverable' it was just not negotiated by commited individuals with the correct belief or attitude...

 

I think once the star politicians bloated with their own importance settle down there is a fair chance this agreement with a slight tweek over the customs union agreement will go through, The NI border was always going to be a problem but with time it can be solved, The rest of the agreement seems a good deal for the UK and certainly more concessions than they have offered any other country,

 

Id prefer you talked football I just might know a little more than yourself.
With regards your customs union comment, it's hardly a matter of me giving you advantages or disadvantages the point I was making was we do not have control over when we exit that is in the hands of the EU.
How can anyone vote for something they have NO control over.
Teresa May was a laughing stock during her 3 hours of trying to sell the package.

 

Michael Portillo said exactly that on This Week after question time, the last thing you do is talk what it's going to cost you to start negotiations about actually getting out and under what terms.
Even during her speech in Parliament when questions were asked that the £39 billion was not a legal obligation she came out with the "we British have a reputation for fair play" the EU are bumming us (and that is there right) to then come out with that suggests we were never in with a chance of negotiating a deal that would be acceptable to Parliament or the electorate.

 

Then why did no “committed” leave people run for PM? May was the only candidate. Where were the leave people vying to lead us through our exit from the EU?

Even now, if they aren’t happy get rid of May. This no confidence vote is a sham. They don’t want to get rid of her as they don’t want the job. They just want to make a show of pretending to try and get rid of her. Rees-Mogg said yesterday he didn’t want the leadership.

From what I can see, the leave people know they can’t deliver what they promised and they were happy to stand back and let May try and fail to deliver the undeliverable and then slag her off, resign in the most damaging way and generally just bitch and moan without offering any sort of solution to the mess they got us in.

 

No one voted on what the post EU landscape would be, the option was purely remain in the EU or leave the EU, there was never any vote or decision made regarding what our future relationship with the EU would be.

The perfect brexit was never deliverable because there was never any unified vision as to what brexit would look like. Just take the free movement of people as an example, some people voted for brexit specifically to halt the free movement of people but others voted for brexit for other reasons and specifically wanted to retain the free movement of people across UK/EU, those two visions of the post brexit world are mutually exclusive and it's impossible to deliver any version of brexit that reconciles those two view points.

 

David Cameron, June 12: “The British public would be voting, if we Leave, to leave the EU and leave the Single Market.”

George Osborne, June 8: “We’d be out of the Single Market, that’s the reality, Britain would be quitting, quitting the Single Market.”

You are correct, maybe it was because the powers that be never thought the people would vote to leave the EU and Single Market, I'm not sure there could have been a unified version no country had voted to leave before so the UK was the Guinea Pig.
We will never know if the UK could have got a better deal with a Pro Brexit Prime Minister and a negotiating team who believed in what they were trying to negotiate.

 

I guess some thought the EU would actually have a whip round and buy us a leaving present. Lets face it they never wanted us to leave and sure as hell are going to make as damn difficult as they can to leave. I wouldn’t expect anything else. Now the Tories are doing everyrhing in their power to put the blame on the voter. I’m so glad i voted, it shows up politicians for the arseholes they really are.

 

We would struggle to summon up a cabal from all the party's that would have any empathy with the majority of voters...

 

Yeah... it would have gone loads better with tubthumping union Jack tattoed lout who is 100% for Brexit. The deal that has been got is the best of a bad lot, the only MPs that don't think it is are the ones that would then have to admit they lied about what was achievable.

 

When I listened to Theresa May trying to justify the deal Labour MPs, DUP MPs and her own Tory MPs said they would vote it down, so exactly who was it who lied.

 

This is a Theresa May brexit, Not the peoples brexit, not the MPs Brexit, At every stage she has caused the resignation of her Brexit ministers by taking over the negotiations, Within 2 days of appointing Dominic Raab as another Brexit minister she wrote and said he must not negotiate with the EU as she and her civil servant would make the deal, She was and is a remainer and this deal is as close to staying in the EU as she can manage while telling those that will listen it is brexit