Hysterical Over Reaction

I absolutely was... hoped, rather than thought, perhaps. And I'm not suggesting that I'm not disappointed that it doesn't seem to be working out, I'm just not convinced that piling more negativity onto the situation is the right answer at the minute.

What's most frustrating for me at the minute is the total break down in communications between the fans and the club. This is where James Mason's worth is shining through. Who (if anyone) is advising Edin on PR, he said himself in the interview with Bantams Banter that he wasn't prepared for that side of it so where are the professionals the club so desperately needs. Until there's positive interaction between fans and club again, the number turning towards protests etc. is only going to get worse.

 

You can have as much PR as you like but even a communications genius would struggle to put a positive spin on this

 

You mean like James Mason

 

There has been no xenophobia or racism on this board, if you have examples then please do point them out. You are new to this board but it is well moderated.

What we do seem to have is increasingly posters like yourself who wish to change the focus of the discussions from fans who are extremely concerned about what is happening to our club. The ‘chink in our armour’ has not been generated by the fans expressing concerns, it is the way other clubs and players watching our club and their perception.You may have forgotten we took all summer to try and recruit an experienced manager and guess what not one could be found who ‘fitted with our job description’

I have been a fan/supporter of this club since 1967, and I will not be staying away from VP anytime soon! So please convey my sentiments to Mr Rupp and Mr Rahic who you have no doubt consulted on this subject!

 

Last year, we sold something like 19k STs. Included were (thanks to JM's efforts) tickets taken up by sponsoring firms. It would be interesting to know how many of those firms still sponsor us and where firms have not renewed their sponsorship, why?

 

Unfortunately it is this type of reasoned sentiment that will fall on deaf ears soon. The poster you are replying to is a spectre of the future. All complaints will be shelved in the xenophobe pile and the blame will come back on us. What is desperately needed first off is some kind of communication. There is only one question that needs answering as far as I'm concerned: Why did you take it upon yourself to employ a rookie who has absolutely no track record of managing with any degree of succcess to become our manager? Although I wouldn't intend it to be a loaded question there is not a hope in hell that we would get an honest answer. Unfortunately we already know the answer but it would be interesting to see if the owners would be honest about it.

 

There's no need for communication now - he's got this years ST sales in the bag. In the run up to next year he'll organise a couple of forums and make out he's learnt some lessons and promise better communication in the future.

 

There are professionals and there are professionals
Compare this seasons pros with last seasons pros
Then go back to PP and his cronies
No comparison whatsoever
However you look at it we are weaker on and off the pitch now than for some considerable time

 

I don't believe that will be good enough @hippo, how we perform this season is paramount to Edin himself, there is no doubt the Collins appointment is Edins I honestly can't see Stefan having much input in that particular appointment.
If we fail this season even at £169 Edin will struggle to get 10,000 season ticket holders, the ones who've not renewed this season will stay away and many who bought in good faith that they had learnt lessons may take a season out, and as we know once you start other interests there is no guarantee they will return.

 

I've been prepared to give Rahic the benefit of the doubt. Never had any issue at all with Rupp, to me he's just a Benny Andersson lookalike whose put in a bit of money and wants a quiet life. We never see him so he doesn't exist.

First year, all relatively ok, I'm quite happy to ignore the "rumours" and general he said she said stuff as 99% of it is usually made up anyway. Summer 2017, not really happy at the loss of players but happy to console myself with the thoughts that Billy Clarke was a non scoring forward (he was but boy did he knit the team together), Meredith was a shark who would have gone anyway (he was and we couldn't alter it), the loans were always going back, Marshall wanted to go to London and we tried to keep him, and perhaps McArdle was being greedy.

The start of the season masked this and even though we lost a lot at home and never really looked convincing, I always had the fact that we didn't lose two on the trot to settle any worries and put aside fears about the owner. The Hendrie scenario washed over me, I couldn't see what the fuss was and after the 4/0 loss at home to Wimbledon I really thought Stuart had lost the plot and we should get Grayson in.

Then in walked the EGO and the only thing he turned around was my opinion of him from very very good league one manager and all round decent guy, to "hey, this guy's actually a bit of a useless Twit isn't he". Wasn't bothered he had left because we'd get a decent replacement. Wasn't bothered that took time because patience is a virtue.

Mason's gone - meh, so what, never rated him anyway. Sure he's a nice guy with a lot of commitment, but face facts he's no Dave Baldwin.

Couple of what "looked" like decent signings being made with no coach told me we have someone lined up and he's pulling the strings surely. Then bang. Rahic appoints a team of no hopers, but I'm prepared to give them time. They are
BCFC after all.

So now here we are. Five matches in and it's smacked me in the face that

1. The club is owned by an egocentric maniac who will stop at nothing to get his own way
2. He's systematically shipped out any player at the club who was worth anything and had any heart and replaced them all with one of Dorothy's sidekicks.
3. He's appointed a coach who is really his puppet.

Now if all that being smashed in your face in the last three weeks isn't enough, then now someone has alienated the only link with any sort of passion and is ready to ship him to Scotland.

So Edin please...…………….. and I don't want to insult, abuse you or call your country of birth/ domicile anything. But you are ruining the already soft foundations of our club with your daft ideas. You don't and can't change the way English football is run. Please accept that or please sell up to someone who does.

YOU DO NOT KNOW ENGLISH FOOTBALL AND YOU ARE LEADING US TO RELEGATION WITH YOUR RIDICULOUS HEAD COACH THEORY.

League one football needs a strong hands on FOOTBALL manager. A bit like the one we used to have. Please go out and get another.

 

Great post USG and I share much of how you feel/felt about how the events of the last year or so have unfolded.

The only variation in how I view things at the moment is that I still believe that the theory is sound but the implementation has been seriously flawed.

 

Rahic would have failed the competency assessment they probably have in Germany is my guess

 

A development in thinking that is very familiar to me, though I fell off the fence somewhat earlier.

I think that the first warning signs appeared in that first January transfer window, when the shipping-out of Parkinson's players began. But the side was doing well, and Wyke certainly helped us, and there was always going to be change in the playing staff even if Parkinson had stayed, and there was hope that the owners would continue as they seemed to be beginning and sign more players with Wyke-type impacts, so one could live with it.

But no, we've gone backwards since then, and a club on the verge of the next division up is indeed in real trouble of returning to the next division down.

I would add a fourth point to your three: it's not just players who have been shipped out, but staff have also been shipped out, or have left of their own accord. More history, continuity, knowledge and appreciation of the club gone.

I would like to see Edin change his approach, and prove that lessons have been learnt. But it seems that that phrase is just about as meaningful as 'I know football.' He seems not to be the type to change. Alas.

RCB

 

I agree that the system can work -- just look at the way the major North American sports teams are run. The scale though is somewhat different, what with extensive minor-league systems for (e.g.) baseball and hockey organisations. That we do not have in our football. Still, you do have to hire suitable people to be your general managers / directors of football; bad / inexperienced ones do damage no matter what sport or country they're in. So like many good theories, the devil is, as you point out, in the details.

RCB

 

I think the ‘Head Coach’ model is something that’s over-stated, in terms of its principles being the issue.

I think there’s a lot of merit in having a management system and infrastructure that DOESN’T allow the manager too much power and influence. Some extreme examples to illustrate the point:

Has anyone seen the Man City documentary on Amazon? It’s brilliantly insightful. In one meeting they discuss potential transfer targets – you have the owner, chairmen, COO, Sports director, Guardiola and his assistants talking about the needs of the team and the merits of certain targets. It’s a collaborative thing, players have to fit a certain technical mould and align to the vision of how the team wants to play – but crucially, Guardiola won’t be given any player he doesn’t want. Their system has been lauded by Gary Neville, who compared Man United for contrast; they had an old school system with Ferguson having all the control. It served them well because he was a once in a generation genius, but when he moved on they were buggered. Completely ill-equipped and still are – they’ve flittered from manager to manager and lost their identity. If they had a similar structure to City, who protected the sort of principles you’d associated with Man United then there’s no way they’d have spent 30m on Fellaini and 75m on Lukaku.

Similarly, we gave Parkinson a lot of control, so when he left – we lost our fitness coach, scouting info and entire backroom team.

I think the truly old school model is dead.

Having a system where a football director sets the vision, and having other support specialists in place is a modern, appropriate model. So when the manager goes, you have some continuity.

Our problem isn’t the model, it’s the way its implemented and being managed. A good football director wouldn’t be a dictator in the way that Rahic is. He (or she) would appoint specialists, empower them, trust them, expect loyalty and alignment to the vision they’ve agreed to – but wouldn’t be afraid of challenge and critique. They wouldn’t be so keen to be associated with the playing side – being seen on the pitch, or unveiling players etc. They wouldn’t (ever!) enter the dressing room. They’d play a part in agreeing signings but they wouldn’t so clearly cast out players like Killgallon, or recruit players that the manager doesn’t specifically want – as is clearly the case with the likes of Sattelmeir, Bruenker, Rabiega, Isherwood. I mean, for goodness sake, look at how many players we signed when we didn’t even have a manager! They wouldn’t appoint someone who’s coaching experience is limited to a few months of part-time U18s coaching.

Having a DoF and Head Coach isn’t the problem. The problem is the people filling those roles

 

WHAT UTTER NONE SENSE!!

how is all this a hysterical over reaction!!

this madman Edin is even saying PUBLICLY he wants our team to become a FEEDER CLUB!!

he even has the gaul to openly say this is now his business!!

what over reaction? we don't want him here at our club!

he can go buy another team for this shit!

he NEEDS TO LEAVE AND US WANTING HIM GONE IS NOT AN OVER REACTION

EDIN I HOPE YOU ARE READING THIS, LEAVE THIS CLUB ALONE!

 

Don't know how you have the gall to say that. At least a gaul or 2 would give us a bit of fight.

 

Ouch!

 

I dont know who you are , or for that matter your background, but 1 thing i am certain of is you are eithet stupid or a club plant .