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Sack Collins now before it's too late. Sack him!

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Fordy117, Aug 18, 2018.

  1. Ulysses S Grant

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    There ought to be a system where coaches could be "sent out on loan" to lower league clubs.
     
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  2. JonButterfield

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    That doesn't discredit any logic.

    Things have to deteriorate to quite an extreme before protests happen.

    The idea of protests will be banded around for a long term before the idea becomes a credible one.

    You don't sow seeds and expect fruit the next day.

    If complaints on forums build and build, and more and more people feel the need to protest, they will.

    That's how these things work.

    I'm not saying that WILL happen here, for Bradford City, but protests are BORN from dissonance - therefore it's invalid logic to suggest that moaning should stop because no one will ever protest.
     
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  3. JimmyBantam

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    On the appointment of Collins as Head Coach; you win nothing with kids ;-)
     
  4. Nick_W_

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    Where've you been since January?
     
  5. JonButterfield

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    Why? Are you so myopic you'd use a tiny fragment of time to prove something can't ever happen?

    Imagine getting relegated under Rahic, and our league status being threatened by a potential second relegation; extreme example, but you think people wouldn't protest?

    Always follow an argument to it's logical extreme. If it fails down, it's not solid logic.
     
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  6. Bigrod

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    I would bring the action forward to 5.00pm on Saturday if there are two poor performances and no points.

    I would not go back in for Grayson.

    The Owner, would have to accept that the survival of the fittest is based on those who can adapt. He would have to accept that his model of running the club is not working, if we suffer two more defeats. He should appoint a Manager (I use that term rather than Coach) and let them run the football side of Bradford City.
     
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  7. Ulysses S Grant

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    Ok, to keep up with the kids though, he needs to do by text or WhatsApp.
     
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  8. Goose

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    For the love of god it's have not of !
     
  9. pns1945

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    Doesn't make sense business wise to offer 3 yr contracts to a team of 3 with little experience between them and no successes of note. Such judgement is a high risk strategy, it is a dream that could well end up a nightmare. At best, success in the longer term is a gamble.If calculated, Edin would surely need to back them to ensure his 3 yr plan of steady progression. But he cannot alienate his fanbase in the process and if they don't buy into what is offered he will have shortfalls through reduced ST take up, which will mean he will need to pump more cash in to retain parity, accounts wise at least. From the fans perspective, he could have seriously and perilously made a poor call. Given the intense nature of his stewardship I, for the life of me, don't understand Edin's reasoning, he may well have shot himself in the foot..He saw everything in MC and nothing in a dozen or so others who had the experience and if his need was for the cheap option, this will prove to be an expensive mistake, if it fails. Just like the insistence on a bonus focused wage structure..all too much...too soon. But the Owners are in it for the longer term and have certainly made improvements, which were overdue and welcome, but I think they need to step back and reconsider the consequences of their actions, football wise. The fans, the Club itself,need them to succeed, but at the moment they will have to show hefty backing to the Coach if they want to protect their investment, which on the recruitment side looked promising. So over to you Edin and influence an improvement in our Club's fortunes.
     
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  10. Hendrie FC

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    SouthendUnitedvsBradfordCity-70.jpg.gallery.jpg Who would you prefer in your technical area? Who gives the impression of having a plan? Who knows what they are doing? Who will you fear the bollocking from? Who will you run through a plate glass window for? Who is wearing the best silk PJs? Nuff said. Get rid.
     
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  11. Bronco

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    Like it @Bigrod@Bigrod but we are talking Edin who has made it quite plain from one if his first interviews that "he knows football" and he wants some form of input even if its only bouncing ideas off the manager/coach.
    I believe there is only one person who can crack the whip and make sure Edin is not involved with the day to day running of the football side of things and thats Stefan, if things don't go better soon he has to get more involved as the major share holder IMO apart from us fans he has the most to lose long term.
     
  12. Dennis

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    I don't understand this preoccupation with sacking Collins and expecting some miraculous change in our fortunes. He isn't the real problem; he's simply a symptom of a deeper problem within the club.

    Collins is what he is and it's the same things he was before being appointed. A head coach of a League 1 football club who has never coached in a pro league or in truly competitive football. He has been part of the team which has assembled a good squad but still with some holes in it. But he hasn't as yet convinced anybody that he has the experience or nous to mould this group of players together to get the best out of them. He doesn't yet appear to know what formation or formations play to their individual strengths. He's just inexperienced in all of these things and having been thrown in at the deep end isn't the best way to learn. He wasn't even sufficiently confident in himself to have applied for the job. He was offered the job because there were no other takers and probably because he was a cheap option which would have been an important factor for his employers. But he was appointed to the job despite all of these shortcomings. And all of that is what we already know.

    Sacking him won't solve any of this. If he were to be sacked now, he'd be paid off and we'd be back to square one with another Collins clone or worse! Nothing would really have been learned. The best we can hope for and it pains me to say this is that performances don't improve dramatically over the next few weeks and Rahic comes under pressure to change things from his fellow shareholder. But whatever happens at this stage, I don't see anything positive coming out of it.

    Rahic's approach is highly flawed and continuing with it albeit with a different head coach will probably produce the same results further down the line. The problem is the current approach and not just the current coach. It's the approach which has to be changed and not just the coach.
     
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  13. Nick_W_

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    I think you're the myopic one, where have I said people won't protest. I'm saying it's been building for quite a while now.
     
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  14. Ulysses S Grant

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    Sorted then. Sack Mikey (or is it Micky) and let's bring in Idris Elba (but only if he comes as "Luther")
     
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  15. Fordy117

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    @Dennis@Dennis but our coach doesn't know he is doing and that's problem.

    So much so that the chairmen getting involved.

    Look out owners claim they look from their mistakes.Hiring Collins is a mistake.

    Address the problem!
     
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  16. Hulmebantam

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    Well, even a quarter of a million pounds would be a massive outlay. That would be best case scenario and for me means that they will be with us for the foreseeable future.
     
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  17. Rogered Tart

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    Bang on Den. The elephant in the room ain't Collins. It's the guy who thought employing someone who never applied for the job was a brainwave. Starting to look more and more like a brainfart.
     
  18. Ulysses S Grant

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    What a word that is. Love it.
     
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    Just turn up 10 mins after the KO , that will send a message.
     
  20. Fordy117

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    Yes, it's Edin who is the main problem but he is part owner.

    Look it seems that Stefan has invested money into the club so Edin can live his real life Fooball Managet dream.

    Unless Stefan sees sense about Edin then Edin will be always a problem for us, as Stefan acts like a sleeping partner in a business.

    The only thing Stefan seems bothered about are wages and if you're a high earner at the club in what you do then you will be Mason, Hanson, Wkye, McMahon to name a few.

    We need new owners, that is clear.
     
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