Starting 11 as it stands

Well we've lost about 4 1st team players and replaced them with players that we can't say are better than them with confidence..

We also have a novice manager that wasn't even a winner on the pitch.

Sorry mate this club is a shambles at the minute.

 

Charlton had an average of 11000 last season we had 20000 according to a site I've looked at but we know that most games there is alot less than that plus charlton only charge £55 for u11 and in some parts they are free with paying adult so i would suggest we probably still get more revenue on season tickets.

 

Can't argue much apart from the shambles bit. You know the list of improvements so far without me having to list them so that just negates your other points.

 

I think the examples of the likes of Portsmouth, Plymouth and Charlton up to a point are misleading.
Pompy were always a big club that could always guarentee large crowds when doing well, Plymouth are similar because of there location, do well the crowds will come, the same with Chatlton always an above average league one side in the past and Championship side until recently.
I get your point but believe they are bad examples, maybe Posh, Rotherham or Barnsley would be more like for like ?.

 

And this is where related debates are very divided this close season. Fans have received 'mixed messages' from our Owners, and interpretation leads to differing understanding.
I for one can see the model City wish to follow, yet any supplementary finance to back up those desired objectives is still not clear. So in truth, we are all partly correct in our opinions - It's just the 'in parts' we all have which differ.

Any stats guys could have a 'field day' when producing a presentation - for both sides could offer an equal argument, irrespective of the debate in question, regarding our ambitions

 

In a nutshell, @Dennis - Yet be prepared for the 'perennial outsider', who breaks the mold (There's always one ! )

 

Most developing businesses borrow money or get investment from vulture capitalists ( pun intended).

Personally I like this German model and am happy with organic growth. I get the feeling as well that there is a growing band of more rational supporters who are starting to see the bigger picture

 

Absolutely spot on BoingBoing. We got the dogs doodahs version of Joe Riley ;-)

 

I agree, there has to be a correlation between money spent and success or else no would do it. Everyone would just pick up cheap cast offs from that no other club wants.

 

OK - I'll put it another way .......... Shrewsbury lasted far longer than anyone dare predict. Yes, they did eventually stumble - but lasted far longer than BCAFC. That was my general point ...... The unknown on the 'outside rail' !

 

The clubs formula is fatally flawed, You can either keep your best players and seek success or you can bring them along and sell them weakening the team and staying a lower division development club, The owners should be honest and declare which.

 

Did I not just state that very point @Dennis ????

Jeeeeeeze - I was making a low key point about 'lesser clubs' and you want an 'issue' ! Sorry ! I'm not joining in.

 

The only chance of keeping your best players is if no one from above rates them highly enough to warrant buying them. There isn't a club in the league that would not sell if the circumstances were right. Once a club from a division above shows an interest, the player is pretty much guaranteed to leave, its then up to the club to get the best fee they can. Fact is our club now has a strategy that will in future rely on the turnaround of young talent to keep it sustainable whether we like it or not. I agree that this somewhat dampens my expectations when it comes to the ambition of Championship football but the truth is there is no one out there who is willing to fund a tilt at promotion out of their own pocket, its going to have to be done with any funds set aside from player transfers. It doesn't need the owners to declare anything, its easy to work out.

 

Everything that is wrong in the modern game right there in your last sentence.

 

Plymouth similar to a big club? You are kidding me. I lived in Plymouth for 2 years (well actually Devonport) and used to go up to Home Park for games. Plymouth are NO WAY a big club and have relatively poor support given there is only one club within a thousand miles (really? Ed) and that is Exeter!

Norman

 

I was talking sbout the support that they can get when doing well, not necessarily a big club in where they have been in their history.
Although as I posted Pompy were a big club Charlton were around the old league on what is now the Championship, Doncaster could always pull large crowdes when doing well.