COVID-19

Maybe some people think they can't catch it because they're vaccinated but anyone who follows the news even a little bit knows the vaccine prevents serious illness rather than making you immune the vaccine gives us antibodies to fight off the virus it's quite clear the question is how long do the antibodies last for

I've never read any meaningful comment from anyone worthwhile saying you won't catch Covid if you get vaccinated there's just less chance you'll be super poorly

 

Unfortunately there are many people who seem to think that the vaccine stops transmission. It was the way the government sold it to get people vaccinated, they ran with a fear narrative because it's easier to get people to follow advice when they are frightened.

 

The end result of vaccinations is to end transmission but the mistake the government made from day one was thinking Britain was a literal island when it's not anymore the world is a global village and vaccinating everyone in Britain will not do that if the rest of the world isn't vaccinated and variants are festering out there and being brought here

Each variant threatens the chances of ever defeating the virus and I think it's now accepted that we won't defeat the virus however if we had vaccinated the whole world at once that would have been a possibility

Sadly the downside of being able to easily travel anywhere in the world is that viruses can't be defeated in the same manner as we used to as we can't contain and vaccinate nor apparently can we vaccinate the world only the rich countries which is pretty pointless

The fact it helps prevent as many serious illnesses is still worthwhile though

 

I think that's most people DO think. It was even speculated about on here - having the vaccine significantly limits transmission, reduces risk of mutation and protects not only the individual, but wider society. That isn't how its playing out - what it IS doing is limiting hospitalisation and death, particularly among the higher risk groups.

 

Did they say what the transmission was in those unvaccinated?

 

Certainly. I've had Covid, I'm doubled jabbed. Should I have it again I presume I'm well placed for it to be so mild I won't notice it. I'm middle aged and crossing the line of age where deaths rise. It's a no brainer to take the vaccine over aged 60, probably 50, the need reduces down the ages and I can see why some have chosen to and some chosen not too.

 

Watch the link I have posted but I don't think the figure was given. The fact is that in a football ground of 20k who are double vaccinated, there is one hell of a lot of people who can still transmit the virus if they have it at 40%.

If you don't have the virus however you can't transmit it, but these covid passports don't take into account a negative test.

 

Does it take into account we're outside

 

as we know lateral flow testing is pointless if done at home to show you are negative as they are easy to fake and the capability isn’t there to PCR test everyone to attend, unless people pay.

The 40% sounds high, and I presume is Delta variant, but if it is half of those unvaccinated then I could understand the reasoning. The other option could be to return to no crowds. Personally I’d rather risk it with vaccinated than unvaccinated

 

Depends on what the "Government" believe are super spreader events, outdoor gathering over 10k appear to fall into that group.

But don't worry, you can be in a full train carriage on the way there with poor ventilation and not need any kind of passport.

 

Have you been to City games this year? If you see the risk as ok to go now, why would you want further restrictions added if you are happy with the risk as it is? Do you wear a mask at the game if you go?

 

I have been and due to my job I am more at risk at work than at City but I’d rather the risk was as low as possible everywhere.

Looks like Belgium authorities are going to introduce COVID vaccine passes for entry to most public places eg bars, restaurants sporting events etc

 

i hear this come up again and again.

it makes NO sense.

why would a tory government want to control people? What do they gain when their donator mates are losing money hand over fist?


do you genuinely think the government want to control people? Or are you on a wind up?
You genuinely think a tory government waited for a global pandemic to control people by temporarily stopping unvaccinated from attending venues? Lord have mercy…


If they really wanted to control people… they’d do what the Chinese government do and surpress media and arrest anyone who speaks out against them.

your reasoning is utter madness.

maybe if like other posters you said its over cautious or difficult to implement fine. But when that tinfoil hat comes on saying its about control.. get. Out. Of. Here.


Its. A. Global. Pandemic.

The. Worst. For. Over. 100. Years.

 

As with thd flu jab.

 

Heres a thought for you. If vaccine rates had 100% takeup would they put in vaccine passports?

personally I don’t think so.


And where is your source for not reducing transmission? The CDC is saying the EXACT opposite of what you are spouting. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

in case you dont even bother to read the link as your bias will stop you hearing anything else.

“A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus.”

 

Thanks. For. That.

You genuinely can't see the level of control and media control and suppression that's being wielded by this, and every other government around the world? Regardless of whether you see it as a positive or negative thing? Then its genuinely pointless having a debate.

 

from reading that earlier the evidence and the report predates the Delta variant which seems to have changed things

 

Do you have any evidence of that claim, of course people were frightend, certainly before the vaccine, but to suggest the vaccine stopped people who were vaccinated getting Covid is not true.
It was quoted night upon night that the vaccine would help prevent the NHS being over whelmed again, and would help lower hospitalisation which it has done.

 

this isn't ‘control’ you still have your rights and freedoms.

I bet you a tenner restrictions stop 2 years from now.

Surely once covid is sorted according to you there will still be passports right?

 

(Happy for the admins to move this to the right thread)

And yet, data worldwide doesn't bear this out.

You mentioned Texas. What is it I'm supposed to be looking at in Texas?