COVID-19

I will believe that, if you back that up with actual sources.

 

What difference does that even make?

Pre pay, pay "at use", or post care pay, it's all the same in the end. Isn't it?

 

“The vaccine, if it works, protects the person getting the vaccine - no one else.“

that makes zero sense, have you not heard of herd immunity? It does reduce transmission we can see this in medial journals and with the PHE dashboards. Why are people so quick to forget last year?? Do we not remember last autumn and how quickly cases rocketed? We have 0 restrictions at the minute and cases are stable.

and to do as you would like billions would have to have been spent. Im pretty sure currently hospital beds in total are 40,000. Thats one tenth the pop of bradford. Look at Texas now. People were moaning before that routine ops were being suspended due to hospitals filling up. Hospitals legally cannot pick and choose who gets care. Its much cheaper and much more sensible to have passports in.

 

I was at Valley Parade on Saturday with 16k people. I was at Wembley on Sunday with 67k people. Not once did I have to show any proof of vaccination (I am vaccinated by the way) but at no stage was I concerned.

Unless I lock myself away forever I will come into contact with someone who has it at some point and I will catch it, be it in a supermarket, on the bus or the train, via work or school, from a family member, etc. When I do then the vaccine will do it's thing and help fight it off. Covid is going nowhere, it will not disappear now and it's here for good. All you can do at this stage is delay getting it, unless you lock away forever.

I will actually point out I have had Covid and it was very mild for me, like it for many, after all 40k in the UK got it yesterday but only a tiny % of them need to go to hospital, the vast majority will just have flu like symptoms and be ok.

 

no, in Germany you pay part tax but you pay for GP visits and operations. Ie if you use it more you pay more. Here everyone pays the same.

would these people accept passports if the unvaccinated had to pay out of their own pocket?

 

I think that's almost a key point. The "benefit" of the passport is psychological but not in a positive way, it gives you false comfort and makes you fear and ostracise "the other". you're worried about bumping into the unvaccinated rather than actually bumping into someone who could infect you.

The actual tangible safety benefits of restricting the entry are a secondary point and significantly less.

 

Look up Lisa Shaw BBC presenter from the north east her death is recorded as a complication after taking the vaccine. There are other on social and normal media. How many people have suffered blood clots plenty.

 

There will always be peoples bodies reacting differently, maybe I'm one of the lucky ones I can't remember a jab that has given me any side effects, and within my friend's and family any that did have side effects were not hospitalised just as you say mainly aching limbs.
But given the offer a vaccine that has made a drastic difference to the hospitalisation and deaths its a small price to pay even thought its happend to a loved one.

 

As has been repeated thousands of times, I can show a covid passport, but that doesn't mean I aren't carrying Covid, it just means I have been doubled jabbed. Then there is the whole getting to the event and mixing with thousands of other people on the way there and way back.

 

Yep as I posted earlier, Lisa was my cousins wife. Her death sent shockwaves not just among our family, but most of the UK. BUT it was an absolute freak case. More people die from side effects from using over the counter and prescribed medication for heart defects, epilepsy etc etc. It’s just that this vaccine has so many moot points that it’s getting talked about and amplified so much. It’s an argument that isn’t going to go away.

 

It makes absolute sense. Yes, I've heard of herd immunity. Its very, very questionable as to whether this vaccine provides it, given that there's little to no evidence it prevents transmission. If it prevented transmission, why are infections high amongst highly populated nations, in some cases? Why would somebody who's vaccinated, still have to isolate if they're infected? Infection rates in Israel are currently higher than an any point in the pandemic, despite it being one of the most highly vaccinated countries in the world. Its well documented that naturally acquired immunity (through recovery from being exposed to COVID) is MUCH more effective at preventing transmission than by means of this particular vaccination. And yet, we're pursuing vaccine passports rather than antibody testing? If we really wanted to protect the public at large, vaccine passports wouldn't be the way, naturally acquired antibody testing would.

What is it in Texas you'd like me to look at?

If billions need to be spent, then spend billions! The cost of lockdown cycles dwarves the cost of what needs to be invested in the NHS. Hospitals ARE choosing who gets prioritised healthcare!

There is no logical argument or evidence for vaccine passports. None.

 

Sorry to hear that she was someone you knew.

 

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/9f86ff53-859d-465c-8295-498d53d52bdc?in=12:40:09

There is a debate now about Covid Passports, one of the Tory MPs replied to the ministers comments as utter rubbish.

I think the joke about Gove was fairly amusing in this piece.

Nadhim Zahawi is being torn a new arsehole in this debate, he's pretty much defending the policy he knows is garbage.

 

Isnt it the same to only being able to go to certain countries if you have had Yellow Fever jab? There is a choice, the holiday and going to the pub are not essential to anyone life so the choice is a balance. Do I want to go to the pub or not get vaccinated. Which is greater?

 

And then of course questions must be asked about the viability of the leader twice sacked for lieing and laziness can we believe this man and is cohorts that we aren't walking into a Orwellian nightmare after all were do these figures (covid ) come from that everyone thinks are carved in stone, are they correct..

 

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I suppose there's a similar point, but the scale is widely different. And so is the context. For some tropical diseases, you can choose to either take a vaccination or not visit that particular. It doesn't particularly leave you short of choice. And again - I have no problem with the testing regime that's currently involved with international travel (though the prices are scandalous) because that's a tangible step that helps to limit the transfer of infection. Travelling whilst vaccinated protects against the risk of the healthcare service of where you're travelling to being stressed by the person travelling, but it doesn't limit transmission. And international travel isn't just about holidays - people need to travel to work, to see family.

Is going to the pub essential? No, but that's not the point. Much of what we do on a daily basis isn't essential to life, but its a key part of living. We can't create a 2 tier system based on whether people have had a vaccine, particularly when its becoming clearer and clearer that being vaccinated does not materially reduce transmission.

 

We live in this country and it creates a two tier society.

When we go on holiday we are making a decision to obey the rules of the land we are going to. If I choose to go to Saudi Arabia I have to respect the fact I will not be able to drink alcohol and if that bothers me I will choose to go somewhere else.

I still haven't heard one benefit of the covid passport, and as to why I would be any safer knowing an unvaccinated person was not in the same venue as me when a vaccinated person can still carry the virus.

 

You can lashed easily in Saudi Arabia no problem

 

There was a stat that was quoted in that parliament debate on Covid passports today which has been talked about on here in parts.

The delta variant has been to be about 40% transmissible in double vaccinated people. That's a huge percentage, so anyone who is going into this covid passport scheme thinking they are not going to catch it because they aren't mixing with non vaccinated people are being fooled.