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Fans Back At VP - A Plan

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by BSABantam74, May 14, 2020.

  1. Keefly Bantam

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    Tell me how fans back at VP will help the club financially enough to cover stewarding costs for example ?
    No food kiosks will be open as far as i can recall. So where is the revenue coming from that they dont already receive.
    I have never said that people in the ground is unsafe if they are socially distanced etc.
    And would you want to wait ages to be allowed to leave the ground? Be like away fans in the 80's.
    And for entry. Say your admittance time slot is 2pm. Sit in your seat and dont move, unless you need the loo, and get let out at say 5.15pm
    Nope not doing that.
     
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  2. Fordy117

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    Fans would do that. As I say fans have been allowed back in other countries and it works.

    Look. it's the long term picture. Fans are switching off Bradford City already for example and if you think it will be easy to get 14k fans back then you're mad. Season ticket sales have decreased this season and will next if fans are not allowed back in. The damage this is doing to the club short term and long term is massive.

    Just because you wouldn't attend in covid times that's up to you but others would and if operated right it should be up to people if they want to attend or not.

    We're in this situation because the government has failed the country with no leading track and trace and poor testing but for football no fans can't carry on for much longer.
     
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  3. Dennis

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    That's not the total picture in Germany.

    Some Bundesliga games did have some fans watching but the attendance levels were around 15% of capacity. There was one case of 11,000 Dortmund fans watching a game in a 80,000+ capacity stadium. But more importantly, it all depended on local infection rates. For the game to go ahead even with some fans, the local rate had to be below 35 per 100,000 pop. In Bradford at the moment, it's over 400 per 100,000 pop or more than 12 times that level. Even in the least affected areas in the UK, it's still 3 times that level.

    You need to get your head around understanding that football won't have fans in the stadia for the foreseeable future for whatever reason.
     
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    As I say I see no reason if doing a tier system why in Norwich they can't have fans.

    My head is firmly behind understanding that football won't have fans in because I never believe the government wanted to have fans in.
     
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  5. Keefly Bantam

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    City are losing fans due to the product on the pitch.
    Europe is slowly locking down and so will we soon. It is inevitable.
    Bradford will be tier 3 soon. How on earth you can justify opening VP up I just don't know.
    No fans will be back at VP until at least next April.
     
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    If you believe that there won't be footie fans watching in the stadia for the foreseeable future, stop banging on about it then! If it's still of such importance to you, drop the Prime Minister a line with your concerns and your analysis and let him deal with it.
     
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    Not necessarily, people will of course travel at different times to the ground and go to different areas of the stadium along different routes. There's an argument to suggest that recommended routes of access to the individual stands would ensure that very few fans actually cross paths with fans in other areas of the ground which of course massively limits contact between supporters.

    The pubs, cafés and fast food places are all open anyway and should employ their own social distancing procedures so that point has minimal relevance as to whether the stadium should allow access or not.
     
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    There were fans in the FK Krasnodar stadium watching the game against Chelsea which is strange as the infection rate and deaths in Russia are going through the roof, rather ironic as Russia announced weeks ago they'd found a vaccine.
     
  9. Keefly Bantam

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    Fair points all based on the assumption that fans will do as they are told or are able to comply with the rules set down by the club. How would you manage people parking and going to the ground only by set routes? That would be a challenge and how would it be policed? Extra stewards maybe. Hiring hundreds of crash barriers? Road closures? More cost to the club though with no real financial return.
    What happens if you travel by public transport and are dropped off on Manningham Lane but you have to walk all the way around the ground to get in to Midland Road stand for example. It would be virtually impossible not to cross other fans.
    All that hassle and then you have to sit on your hands during the game and not raise your voice etc. The risk definitely outweighs the benefits and sadly, I doubt I will set foot inside VP probably until the start of next season.
     
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    They do want fans in, Football is a major income stream for this country and the issues our government is having is trying to balance keeping the finances of the country stable and keeping the virus under control. They want football clubs to be bringing in as much money as possible as that benefits everyone. The problem is they are almost certainly looking at what happens below the national league and are seeing that you just can't trust football fans. You can let people into a cinema and be pretty sure they aren't going to all start edging across as the movie goes on until everyone is sitting in a huddle and that they won't start shouting, singing and hugging as things happen on the screen. That isn't the case in football.

    If you watch any videos such as Hashtag United official channel or the channel Awaydays you will see every game that fans start off social distancing but as they get involved in the match they just forget all about it. While going to the cinema is a passive viewing experience at a football match (or most sports) the fans there watching are part of the event, you can't stop fans getting involved.

    Football as a collective needs to sit down and actually work out a way of forcing social distancing in a safe and cost effective manner (If you are having to hire 1000 extra stewards top control 3-5k fans in VP then having fans in the stadium is going to do more harm than good as say 5 hours of them even on minimum wage wipes out the income from the gate) that they can then present to the government and go 'This is how we can do it all the way from the National league North/South to the Premier League that will ensure social distancing, while being safe for fans and also where it doesn't make the financial situation worse
     
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    The problem is even if they have social distancing rules in place at these places having an influx of football fans could overload them as they are all descending on a small area making these rules hard to enforce. For example Man Utd put out a statement yesterday talking about their plans and part of that was staggered entry times. But if you goto a United match there are certain locations near the stadium that people naturally gravitate to and that pre and post match experience is part of what many like about going to the football. Staggering entry times to the stadium potentially makes things worse for these places as people are likely to arrive early so they are ready for their time to go in and while waiting are likely to want to goto the pub or go and get some food but so will everyone else
     
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    People have already...I don't need too.

    Also, I don't know who he listens too these days do you?
     
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    It would be self policed in the same way the rest of society is at the moment. If a pub, cafe or other such business is caught flouting the rules it can be fine or immediately shut down. The same would apply to a football stadium.

    Look, I understand the replies I give don't fully solve the problem, if I could do that I wouldn't be on here chatting to you. All I'm doing is suggesting realistic solutions the club could take if the decision of the government was to allow fans back inside the stadium.

    Regardless of whether I'd reopen them or not if I had the power I still fully believe it would be safer than many of the leisure activities open at the moment such as Cinemas, Gyms and especially local pubs where from experience social distancing is, at best, partially observed.
     
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    Well the hope is UTD announced a statement yesterday and today Liverpool have about ready to get fans back in.

    Utd even put a number on it the amount of fans it can now hold with safety measures. As I say this is what clubs need to be doing.
     
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    Listening to the prof on the radio earlier about the urgency of instituting further restrictions and doing them sooner rather than later, it's certainly not the scientific experts! The Govt mantra of 'being led by the science' has now morphed into 'being guided by the science'. Something else is doing the leading. I understand the PM's dilemma about balancing the need to secure the country's health with the economic impact but I believe that has now changed and tilted in favour of the economy.

    I suspect the two he listens to at the moment are Cummings and the PM-in-waiting Sunak. Hancock, the scientists and the public health experts have all been pushed slightly to one side. Imo opinion, irrespective of which way he goes, he needs to adopt a clearer line as Merkel and Macron have done. If that means explaining to the country that the economy is now taking priority so be it but at least be honest with everybody.
     
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    They really weren't told that. That's how the media portrayed it but it's not what the actual meeting minutes say.

    In general let's just forget this discussion. The idea that they're going to loosen up any rules with regards to hospitality at a time when the infections are going up and everywhere else is tightening restrictions is completely pointless. Not happening.
     
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    Except nothing United said had any actual details of how they are going to make it work. Reducing capacity doesn't solve it. You have clubs in non-league who at best have 50 fans turn up meaning they can spread themselves around the pitch with ease but guess what they don't end up keeping a social distance.

    I might have posted this before but watch this as the perfect example of how trying to enforce social distancing at a sporting event just isn't going to work without some way to FORCE social distancing be it with some form of barrier (which most likely wouldn't be allowed) or by overloading with stewards (which wouldn't be financially viable)

     
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    I agree might it's not but it's worrying for football and the hospitality/events industry.
     
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    Fully agree and just going back to football as I say both Utd and Liverpool have updated fans on what they're trying to to do to allow fans back in and they would have been talks with the government and PL before making measures.

    So, as you say it's the economy first now in this country at the minute for sure but yes the government just needs to be honest with everyone.
     
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  20. Keefly Bantam

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    Its a messy situation whichever way you look at it.
     
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