Where will it end... 12th September as it happens

I appreciate it’s not easy and as you say going to need clubs to put measures in place. On the Spain question it would be all stadiums to have fans back. Las Palmas have already stated they could have fans back now as the virus threat in their region is minimal. However the league won’t let them because it would be unfair on others.

Why the November date? Is that when the government imagine we have no distancing requirements?

The Efl has long been a poor run organisation. The bury fiasco was a shambles.

 

Agree totally Rod but the point is there is cost whoever has to pay and in respect of measures within stadium boundaries I don't believe clubs can afford it.

 

November is my own arbitrary date from trying to apply logic to a situation where we can return to full fixtures across all leagues with no restrictions in attendance or distancing
Plus the added bonus of a friendly winding up of Fordy.

 

Thats the real sticking point @wetherbywhaler , you can't at present include arbitary and logic in a sentence that also includes the EFL .

 

I think the government are just making a right mess of of all this. Worst government in my time. Proving utter clueless.

What's funny is that in parliament no extra money seems to be spent to make the House of Commons to make it covid 19 secure but the government expects buinesses to strictly follow the 2m rule, signs, put up barriers, wear gloves/masks etc.

I just can't see them saying in Oct/November even if the R rate is down that we don't have to follow any rules. You have Whitty (scientist for the government) scaring everyone by saying they could be a second pike and viruses like this come back in winter.

Bradford City will have to improve their toilets(overdue anyway) supply hot water, have more wash stations. Doubt the 2m rule will be around but if Bradford City or any other football think that they won't have to spend any money then to up grade the Valley Parade then they are living on a cloud.

 

They might not have any restrictions if there's no virus. North Yorkshire NHS Trust recorded only 3 new cases in the last two days. York NHS Trust has recorded NO new cases since Thursday the 4th June. What restrictions will be needed if you can't calculate R because there's no virus left? They should play a few games this season with crowds and see if they get any flare-ups.


And it increasingly looks like it might not be much more dangerous than flu overall. Thing is we avoid people with flu symptoms whereas this virus sneaks around without (vulnerable) people knowing about it because it is so mild for most that they don't know they have it . Blood tests keep turning up far more mild and symptomless cases than our policymakers had anticipated. It does not stop it killing vilnerable from here but it can't kill many if there are not enough uninfected people left to spread it readily.

Japan thought they'd managed to moslty keep the virus out (17k cases and under 1000 deaths) but blood testing finds about 20 times more cases than official figures suggest.

Https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/06/675b73fc2b89-softbank-test-says-043-of-44000-have-coronavirus-antibody-in-japan.html

60% infected of nearly 10k tested in hard hit Italian region. Over 30% of over 10k tested health workers in Lombardy found positive.

Https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-antibodies-found-almost-60-percent-people-tested-italian-province-hit-hard-covid-19-1509546

India finds 15-30% infection rates in slums that account for many of the deaths

Https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/icmr-serosurvey-coronavirus-one-third-infected-hotspots-covid-exposure-india-1686984-2020-06-09

 

The problem isn't the virus. it's the scientists and the scientists have scared everyone. Plus the economy is in a mess and the government scared about a 2nd wave. I said the lockdown needed to be strict then it should be a case of letting people decide whats what after 3 weeks but now we have all these restrictions and I think that most will be around for a long time.

I said that trying to ring fence the over 70's is utter pointless and even more so the over 80's who Hancock said are 70 more likely to die from Covid 19. We have people like @Bronco and @Park bantam (both over 70 hence why I am including you both) saying that they would go to Bradford City are normal. Fine - let everyone crack on knowing the facts and if you get covid 19 then you get it. Open everything up but now the world economy is in a mess and the UK economy is in a trouble state because our government didn't think.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8413529/Global-financial-markets-plummet-amid-fears-second-coronavirus-wave.html

Bradford City are going to have to spend lots of money on Valley Parade to make it more covid 19 secure.

 

There was an article on BBC last night about Yemen heart breaking not enough medics to cope never mind hospitals PPE etc, the newly dug graves were a terrible sight, I said when this virus kicked in the deaths could be well over 1 million, that could be on the low side looking at this sort of footage, the article was saying the Houthi rebels are suppressing the real toll.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/12/middleeast/yemen-coronavirus-deaths-intl/index.html

 

Today's 'Times' gives 7,539,367 reported cases and 421,390 reported deaths globally to date. Cases are growing strongly in many underdeveloped countries.

 

Are the stats correct though. We seem to be counting as every death as covid 19. The UK government has stopped showing the death rate chart and it wouldn't shock me that in a month or so that they say they have been counting it wrong.

When a person dies of flu it's doesn't go down as flu mainly.

 

The US is well on its way to being unlocked. Bars and restaurants are operating at 50% capacity in Texas and amusement parks at 25%, for instance. Media are scaremongering about some rise in infections in about 15 states that mostly missed the first wave before they locked down but the majority of states that had higher infection rates are not yet seeing any increases. This bodes well for the UK's big cities which have infection rates of 15-20% but leaves the possibility of local flare-ups in some rural areas and holiday/seaside towns that are quiet in winter. Such minor flare-ups should be expected and not be a need to lock down again so long as larger cities see no significant increases.

It should be noted that some US states with R above 1 continue to see falling deaths, raising questions, about R. Texas has had R above 1 for over 6 weeks but continues to see falling deaths. I keep saying all the data based on increasing swab test figures are rubbish and not worth analysing yet we keep analysing it and generating dodgy R numbers. Garbage in, garbage out.

https://rt.live/



The ONS household survey of 20k people says the virus is nearly gone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53021671

 

All countries statistics are different for instance we are one of a few countries counting deaths that have Covid mentioned but not the main cause of deaths. In Spain they count deaths in hospital and care homes but not those that die in the community.
It’s very easy to sit there and criticise when your not one making decisions. For example Starmer going about schools going back and criticising the goverment whilst the week before he was slamming it for being to early. Before the lockdown there were voices saying we shouldn’t go into at all but we don’t hear from them now..
there are now lots of people urging the government to relax the measures but who will get the blame if we get a second wave
I see the Labour Party are today calling for the Furlough scheme to be extended but who will be to blame when he economy crashes..
I don’t envy politicians at the moment they are in a no win situation

 

The virus case growth in some hot emerging nations and a minority of US states suggests the virus has not gone away in the UK due to warmer weather, which makes it less likely that colder weather will increase the risk of outbreaks in the winter.

Deaths in Brazil, Russia and Peru all look to be peaking now. There's only really India/Pakistan/Bangladesh left to worry about and the article I posted earlier that indicated 15-30% infection rates in slum areas of India suggests these will start to plateau soon.

Blood studies have all shown the same - deaths seem to start to plateau as urban infection rates hit 15-20%. (Sweden, UK, New York, Spain, Switzerland, Italy) That's not what the scientists predicted but it's happened in enough places that maybe that's just the way it is. Switzerland and Sweden are largely unlocked without any flare-ups. (4 can meet in a Swiss restaurant.)

There are lots of countries well short of these rates of infection, though, like a minority of US states. How do they unlock and protect vulnerable? Hungary seems one to watch. They are well on the way to being unlocked and we saw their football fans standing together. They only had a low infection and death toll in wave 1 but don't seem to be seeing a flare-up yet. I'd expect one there but it's yet to come. Hopefully it won't.

 

The furlough scheme has so many holes in it that extending it would be a disgrace. We need to get the economy back and people back to work.

Labour are right to give criticism of the government because it's been nothing short of an embarrassment. No one can praise the handling of this ans how they've run the country. It's been an utter disaster.

The problem with the government they seem clueless. Kids will go back, now they won't. The main issue is they don't seem to have a plan like the EFL.

Look I live in a conservative area and I know lots of high business people who are supporters of the conservatives who tell me they have never seen so much bad leadership as Boris Johnson and would consider changing votes. Most wouldn't vote for me now. You can only judge the government in power and it's a mess!

 

The government wanted children to go back to school, but the left wing unions and teachers are blocking it, just to score political points. Just like they have been doing all the way through the virus crisis. Same with the Scottish leader pure politics to get at the government.

 

You're right to be cautious. There are all kinds of anomalies in different country's figures and I simply reported the 'official' figures which the Government statisticians will work with. For me they are way, way out of line.

 

No mention of Belgium on there which seems to have a much higher death rate per million of population than the UK and the rest of Europe

 

The true figures of world wide deaths will only emege once the pandemic as gone , all coutries are counting deaths dfferently . I will never believe any figures produced until all Countries use the same formula . Covid has cured Cancer- Heart attacks - dementia and all other deseases , nobody is dying of anything else .