Sack the manager

Thanks Gary.

 

@Mitchelldownie within football potential buyers will know the club would be available for the right price but if Stefan thinks £10m is the right price for a 4th division club he's a very stupid man even if we were league 1 it would not be a reasonable price IMO.
What I do find worrying is this comment from the article below, "The owner, Stefan Rupp, is categorically not seeking to sell the club. Nor is he looking for outside investment as we plot our path back towards Sky Bet League One and beyond".
https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7478849/amp/Bradford-hold-takeover-talks-owner-Stefan-Rupp-wants-10million.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15794338071869&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Farticle-7478849%2FBradford-hold-takeover-talks-owner-Stefan-Rupp-wants-10million.html
We need continuous investment and he was aware of that when buying the club, or Mark & Julian might have well have stayed, having said that Rahic getting the club to Wembley (tongue-in-cheek )in their first season as owners Rupp probably though this football park is a walk in the park.

 

I see the poll has dramatically changed in % for sacking GB since yesterdays debacle.

I wonder what the % will be this time next week?

 

Even if we got promotion under Bowyer he isn't the right man for the club and we are just all wasting our time.

Say he takes us up then it will be around 3-6 months until we then sack him. Right now we can all see he isn't the man the club needs so why waste time?

Say it time and time again. Fans don't mind losing but want to see exciting football now and effort. Yesterday we saw players pulling out of 50/50 challenges and hardly any effort.

Rupp will lose a lot more money if he doesn't sack Bowyer.

 

One off results mean nothing really. Exeter thrashed Plymouth, yet we beat Exeter

 

But Bowyer was the right man before he came here. Many fans have been asking for him for the past 2 years... So who is the right person now??
Is Gary doing such a terrible job considering the injuries and the mess he inherited when he arrived? It's clear he doesn't know his best system for the players he has at the moment, having various players in and out the team becasue of injuries also doesn't help.
I never wanted Bowyer. I think he lacks the personality to be a manager but do I think we should sack him now? No.. We would be a laughing stock. Again!

 

The fans have turned within VP. Patience has been lost. And it's not the general fickle element you get with all crowds. The last 3 or 4 home games, you've felt it. As soon as basic passes go astray, or players turn backwards because of a basic lack of movement and understanding on how we should be moving the ball from back to front, the groans and moans start, but theres a venom to it. And I sense its aimed entirely at Bowyer, not the players, because everyone can see that they're not being coached and/or the instructions are inhibiting any sort of flow to our game.

 

Why would we be a laughing stock?

Do you think people are laughing at barca?

Rhodes will be the only laughing stock saying that he wants 20k season tickets but keeping a manager the fans are turning against and bored of.

I didn't believe Bowyer was ever the right man for the job and giving him a 2 year contract but keeping Drury was extremely poor.

We currently are a laughing stock playing the football we do with the squad that we currently have.

Every club has injuries and it's highly embarrassing to use them as an excuse.

 

I don't need to be a football manager to know that playing 2 of the divisions best strikers yet having every creative player you have on the bench, is just pathetic.
And playing 5 defenders at home? Really? (Especially when one of them is mellor who can't attack OR defend)

But the thing that topped it all off was when the manager comes out with something along the line of "at least we didn't concede a third". . . I mean. . . Just f#ck off.

 

Putting us and Barcelona in the same bracket is ridiculous.

Wed be a laughing stock for sacking a manager while 5th and 2 points off the top 3.

Is our squad that good? It's made up of players who failed miserably last season and then players who have come from the likes of Accrington and Wimbledon. We are very much a league 2 club playing like all the other league 2 clubs. Incosistent and not great to watch. Throw that in with a number of injuries then I don't really see how it's that bad..
Im confused by come of the mentalities on here. Did you not think it might take a season of consolidation. Have you forgotten how truly awful we were last season? You can't just turn that around immediately. It doesn't happen. Looking across the 4 main leagues and the other relegated teams then we are doing about right. We're on 45 points which is roughly the same as Ipswich, Fulham and Rotherham who were also all relegated last season.

 

We're too much of an irrelevance to be a laughing stock of any significance.

You're right in that he doesnt seem to have a system or style to suit the players - but this is largely his squad! He could pick a side based entirely on his own signings. He has a striker that's proven to be massively prolific when used correctly - but its patently obvious that he doesnt know how to use him.

The fact that he cant get a tune out of these players, with performances becoming more and more disjointed and less and less effective, is an indictment on his coaching ability. Hes been very, very well backed. He's underperforming in relation to the resources hes been given.

All clubs have a fickle fan element, but I dont think this is about that. Often, you get a land swell of fan opinion that can see beyond the surface and frame a view of the longer game. We had plenty of fans who called out Rahic for being a lunatic early on - 'show us your proof!'. Fans who saw our performances in McCalls second season and who called out our early playoff position as being false, predicting relegation the following season as we started to drop down the league - 'what an overreaction, we were in the playoff final last season!'.

I think this is similar. Early season form, especially at home was skewed by elements of fortune - penalties and red cards. And I know you have to earn the penalties, but we were far from convincing in most games.

Fans are looking at the level of performance, looking at the resources we have and theyre plotting out their likely prediction for the coming weeks. Stick with Bowyer and I think we'll fall out of the playoffs, let alone the autos. We cant hang around in this league for more than a season. We have the bulk of a squad that's good enough and with a change or two, and a proper coach, I think we'd storm the top 3.

Get Bowyer out, get a decent coach in who can make a change or two with the window open - a proper midfield enforcer and a left winger, and we'd fly.

A bit of ambition for once.

 

To me going 2 up so early was the problem (had the fullback not pulled up injured and not on the pitch for our second we wouldn't have been 2 up ) GB then thought his "great on paper" defence was good enough to protect that and take no risks like pushing for more
any progressive manager would have thought "let's take the game by the scruff of the neck score more and build confidence on and off the pitch" Not GB am afraid we got what He deserved unfortunately
sadly in his press conference he intimated it was a good point that advanced our league position

 

If all our players were given free transfers to any other div 2 club they would all be snapped at up and be playing next game
So what is wrong?

 

Bowyer out.

 

Thought exactly the same. Itd have been at least 4-2 to them if itd hadn't been for 2 worldies from Mghee.
The table simply isnt a true reflection of what we deserve or where we should be. We are (and ultimately will end up) mid table quality under Bowyer. Devoid of ideas, the players look confused, the ball is like a hot potato, we dont have anyone who can dictate play or carry the ball and it's just aimless. With this budget and under someone with a definite plan or effective style of play, we would be walking this league, tonking teams along the way.

Sadly i cannot see this happening under Bowyer, he seems to be happy with how things are going!! Just what is he watching!? Im already resigned to another season in the Khazi league next season, we cant stay in contention forever playing as bad as this, and it's sad because the standard is so poor in L2.

 

I'm not putting us in the same bracket as Barcelona but what I am highlighting is that if the biggest club in the world can sack a manager whenever top of the league and in the CL then any manager can get sacked at anytime. Barca sacked him because he wasn't attacking enough and hired a more attacking manager.

There is never a good time to sack a manager but you need to look at the long term vision for the club. Bowyer isn't the right man for the football club and it would suit all parties if we made the change now while we still have a chance of keeping fans, attracting new fans and going up.

By next Sunday we could be out of the play offs then failure to win a week on Tuesday at home could lead to a toxic atmosphere. Why run that risk?

Rhodes and Rupp have to protect themselves because the fans are ready to full have a go at them because we all know Bowyer isn't the answer to the clubs problems.

If we don't go up this season Rhodes might as well quit and Rupp full put the club up for sale because fans are not happy with the lack of ambition shown by the club at the minute and Bowyer isn't helping at all.

 

You are talking drivel and ignoring my points completely.
Like I've said.. Have you forgotten how bad last season was? Do you know how long it takes to rebuild. If you want to use Barca as an example then I'll throw in Stoke and Sunderland. Sacked managers constantly since their relegations looking for success. How has that worked out? Stoke are on their 4 manager in 2 years. They are 21st in the Championship. Its exactly the same with Sunderland. You don't come into a club in the mess ours was in and just expect it to all come good. It's unrelasitic. I've also said look at the other relegated teams from last season. We are up there with Ipswich, Rotherham and Fulham on 45-47 points. The rest are in a far worse state.
The brothers at Lincoln who jumped to Huddersfield were seen as the best thing since sliced bread. They haven't really had much impact. Yet.... Im not disagreeing that we haven't been playing well. Yes performances aren't great but we need consistency. We can't just sack a manager and hope Rupp throws some more money at us. Thats not going to work long term.

 

I was trying to indicate more about form, Plymouth are playing dominant football at a time when the table is starting to settle, and we've won 3 in 10

 

Town are throwing money at the situation though and with in football the brothers are highly respected. Town won't go down and we all know that.

We are looking to go up and under Bowyer it's no the going to happen. Bowyer isn't respected as football manager now. He's yesterday's news.

What is the long term vision then? Bowyer has a year and a half left on his contract.

I just don't see the point in keeping Bowyer as manger. None! Please tell me the point? Because not many seem to be backing you.

Did you hear the boos at the end of the game?

Drivel nah.. the truth! Last season is done! Bowyer has been backed and is delivering some of the worst football ever seen at VP.

 

Time for Juilan to go, Let's just get this situation into perspective.
Two new investors take over our club one who thinks he knows everything football, and the other who quotes " his investment is worth the risk" said investor sits back and has very little involvement with the club, apart from milking the achievements that a certain Stuart McCall brought us, taking all the adulation at Fleetwood and rubbing shoulders with the football hierarchy at Wembley.
We find out all is not right behind the scenes at Valley Parade (although some championed Rahic till the very end) two Bradford City fans take time out to have a meeting with Rupp, who realises these two might be telling him the truth with regards our clubs demise Rupp gets involved and basically sacks Rahic by telling us fans Julian would be helping out, once again some believe Julian is the go between Rahic and Rupp and still openly back Rahic.
So getting back to your "time for Rhodes to go comment his present position at the club is Interim Chief Executive Officer which suggests to me it's only a temporary appointment and he can only offer advice to the owner.
So we have a situation where Julian has little clout only offering advise, an owner who is trying to make sure his investment doesn't go down the plug hole and has no or very little interest in football apart from making him money.
I get your Bowyer comment he is in charge of all things football but to suggest Julian is a problem at the club is IMO a nonsense he can only advise on what is best for Bradford City and in getting the best for our club would also protecting Rupp's investment up to a point.