Election 2019 (with Prediction Poll)

Very good post, not sure who could disagred with it.....but I'm sure some one will.

 

@fordy have you dictated these replies to your PS as they make so much sense and are readable , may I suggest you forget about football and maybe put yourself forward for the next Labour leader, I've enjoyed reading your comments with regards or countries woes, good posts .

 

Give up...... I called Amber out because I can't get my head round signing up to a Bradford City forum and having no interest in posting about Bradford City. If you can actually show me what post that think could be upsetting then I'll apologise? But they were questions about City which she ignored.

Jesus christ get a grip if we can't have a little bit of banter then why even post on a discussion forum. To me it seemed like he/she was only on here to push a political agenda and nothing more, very strange that Amber also hasn't been on since the results were out.

 

Might just do that..

Thanks mate. Love you!

 

Yes all those cuts you mention caused by an austerity programme to rectify the reckless spending of the Labour Party and a financial crisis they allowed to happen on their watch,No one wanted austerity but the public understood the need for it and factored it in

 

Can Labour be blamed for the subprime collapse of most financial institutions around the world, you name it nearly every country in the world got caught up in that ridiculous selling of mortgages, weren't the Tory party at the time blaming Labour for having too much regulation on banks and the likes.
Not sure the blame can be laid solely at the Labour parties door for the caused of the world meltdown, maybe looking across the pond at the worlds biggest economy ?

 

You obviously have a leaning towards Corbyn and turned a blind eye to the racist slurs against Johnson then or at least only read or watched articles from a particular set of news outlets.

Imo there was untruths and nonsense reported about both sides but I will admit that perhaps there was more posted about JC and DA from social media sources.

That said, JC has had several chances to explain and deal with the anti semite accusations in his party and did little to actually tackle them head on so perhaps he is at least partly responsible for his own downfall.

 

Your sneering tone is odious to say the least.

The Conservatives won. We don’t fully understand all the reasons why, we can say with confidence some of the reasons that Labour lost.

For a lot of people, whether you disagree with them or not, it’s a jarring outcome that’s going to have some reaction borne from shock. Absolutely nothing wrong with a protest. I don’t personally believe that it’s helpful, but we all have the right to do it.

Maybe if you disagree you can piss off to China. But the likelihood is that you don’t disagree with protesting in and of itself, you’re just looking for a reason to stick the boot in on people you disagree with while they’re already down.

 

I agree that the USA financial crash had a lot to do with it but Labour had plenty of warning of the problems coming with the huge Northern rock going broke and having to be nationalised in 2008 and then chose to do nothing else to protect the economy from further bank crashes, But as for austerity the public seemed to accept it was needed and chose the Tories to enable it and as such have not blamed them for the cuts in this election rather blaming the cause not the treatment

 

Not to bat too much on the front foot, but our chancellor Savid Javid was literally a managing director at Deutsche Bank through the crisis too.

 

I think the economic argument for austerity is muddled, and was sold to the country (very successfully, I’ll add) by a government that sought to equate a nation’s finances to that of a normal household. Which obviously isn’t how these things work.

The Conservatives knew they couldn’t pursue it more than they had as their voters were beginning to notice. Pot holes and homeless people really stick in the minds of middle class voters.

Yes, Labour ran a high deficit. But this is just as legitimate a political decision as running a surplus. But Labour absolutely did not defend that against a brilliant piece of political positioning from Cameron and Osborne.

 

No doubt Boris has a big job on his hands, a good deal on Brexit and then the healing of our broke society.
Let's see if his promises regarding more help for the North of England happen
The next 5 years are going to be a massive test for the government, unfortunatly I'm not sure the Labour party can re-group and offer any sort of viable opposition, can it be done in 5 years.

 

I’m sorry, I can’t stand this self impressed ‘we won you lost, everything I believe is correct’ sneering attitude towards people they disagree with. It’s not in the slightest bit helpful or clever.

 

Do you not think it's a bit of a reaction to the vile stuff being slung about all pre election?

 

Doubt it. It took fourteen years in opposition after the last Labour electoral defeat on this scale. I have little faith that the LP will recover quickly this time - too many internal divisions.

Time will tell whether the alleged benefits of Brexit, assuming there are any, will outweigh the damage of ten more years of Tory government. You and many others have taken the gamble by switching your allegiance and facilitating a big Tory majority. If it all goes tits up then that gamble will have been a reckless one.

 

Maybe it is. The political discourse in this country since the Brexit referendum has been absolutely toxic.

I can’t stand the elements of the left that just shout ‘Tory scum’ back at people that vote Conservative. This notion that the Labour Party is the party of good and altruism and the Conservative Party are the evil and selfish party only works on people who already agree with you. To everyone else it sounds obnoxious. It’s a means to avoid having to actually engage in any sense of meaningful debate.

But there’s no sense of compassion and consensus to be found anywhere. It’s all way too tribal. Why is it that somebody’s views on the military often correlates exactly with their seemingly unrelated views on taxes? Why do those who are anti abortion almost always oppose immigration? It’s all way too tribal.

 

I'm off into a cooking forum to see if anyone want to talk Bradford City.

 

I respect your opinion Steve but please do stop the blame game, you know my position with regards Brexit, and no it's not an obsession as you quoted, the opposition parties brought this situation upon themselves :
Labour were a remain party regardless of the spin, and elected a leader who's past has been questioned many times in the past and unfortunately for Corbyn it would always raise it's head in something like a General Election,
As leader of the opposition to then suggest he was Brexit neutral was a stupid thing to say, he was not convincing anyone and in most cases making it very difficult for other Labour MPs not to make themselves sound stupid in trying to defend him.
I believe it was passed at the Labour party conference for Labour to renegotiated a new deal with the EU if they won the General Election, then go to the country saying as a remain party they wanted the electorate to vote against the very deal they renegotiate, ans stay in the EU.
Lib/Dems shot themselves in the foot with their position on the referendum vote saying they did not recognise it and would revoke it, 17,000,000 potential voters down the drain, clever move Jo.
The Brexit party were never going to get the vote in wards/constituencies where they stood against a Tory candidate, my ward/constituencies for instance.
Greens a nonentity in this election same with the other parties it with all the other remain parties this election was dominated by the Brexit situation even though many argue differently,

 

All of this is fair enough Dave. But it's all about the process.
But none of it explains how you think Brexit will benefit the country or why you think the leap in the dark gamble on Brexit was worth keeping the Tories in power for another likely ten years.
It's not a blame game. It's a genuine puzzlement as to why people who've hated the Tories all their life think that Brexit is worth facilitating a long Tory government. I'm sure you have your reasons. But no one has given me a coherent explanation of what they are.