Election 2019 (with Prediction Poll)

Doing just what the 17 M + wanted.

 

Corbyn's mantra has always been simple: "You cannot pursue peace by a cycle of violence" and the only way to end violence is with communication. This often results in him being pictured with terrorists, attending wreath-laying's he shouldn't really be at etc, which I personally think Is a naive thing to do in his position, but people like you don't half get the wrong end of the stick. It's the equivalent of calling Trump a terrorist sympathiser because he had a meeting with Kim Yong un and had lunch with him. Just imagine for a moment it was Jeremy Corbyn in that position instead of your hero: The media twist we would see, the mass outrage that would occur, the gullible folk lapping it up and of course the stark difference in your reaction.

There's a very simple reason I didn't respond to your original post. You weren't calling Corbyn an advocate for peace when he was openly against bombing Syrian's in their homes, neither were you calling the nut jobs who thought it was a good idea exactly what they were- which were terrorist sympathisers. You get on your high horse when it comes to telling to me XYZ about Corbyn (most of which is misplaced) but your moral compass clearly takes a hit when it comes to discussing Tory policy and right wing racists who advocate sexual assault. Very little in the way of your opinion is actually consistent. There is no objectivity involved. You just pick a side that fits your own political agenda and are adamant that anyone who disagrees with you "needs to give their heads a big shake". 99% of your opinions are based on what you read in the press, and you'll carry on believing the bullshit served to you until the day you die.

 

Your comments regarding main stream media are true but to add balance both sides of the argument do exactly this. Its not just a 'right wing' thing as it seems to be the fashion to call anyone these days who doesn't agree with socialism. Deep down Corbyn is kinda like your well meaning but fruitloop of an uncle, like a an extreme socialist version of Richard Briers in the good life. He has to remember you can't please all of the people of the time, if he's gonna jump into bed with 'terrorist' organisations then he has to be prepared for the negative publicity that comes with it. I actually agree with some of the things he says but for the greater good of this country i wouldn't want him anywhere near the door of 10 Downing Street.

 

I dont get the wrong end of the stick.

Corbyn has been in league with both the IRA and Hamas.

McDonnell openly stated that Bobby Sands should have been honoured. He worships Lenin, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung.

They have both openly said that they admired how Venezuela was governed.

Neither of these dangerous politicians should get the chance to run our country.

You say I get my information from the media, where else am I going to get information?

 

Corbyn- as a lot of politicians do- has a cult following where he can say and do no wrong. Some of his ideas are good and plausible whilst others seem like pure fantasy but I like that he atleast wants to make positive, tangible changes that will benefit us. CONservative's (snigger) on the hand have made cut after cut and tripled the national debt whilst doing it.

Really though, It's not so much that I'm against anyone who disagrees with Corbyn's outlook, these things are subjective. It's the idea that he's some sort of violent endorsing, incompetent fool who can't tie his shoelaces whilst the Tories are 1000 x better. It's utter delusion. Mention Jeremy Corbyn and all sense of realism goes out of the window

 

Corbyn is no fool, any person who becomes a millionaire through work certainly ain't stupid. And in a perverse way i want to see him in power to see what he's really like walking the walk. There again, the only people i see claiming the Tories are better are the ones with a vested interest. I think December 12 will be a real pivotal point for whoever loses. Not for the lib dems, they are utterly pointless and anyone voting for them clearly should be sectioned, but for Liebour (chortle) and CONservatives especially. Corbyn loses this and he's finished as a credible politician (although a job will be found for him somewhere, they never have to look for work) and serious questions will have to be asked of the long term future of a party that could not win an election pretty much being given to them gift wrapped on a plate. Johnson should never be anywhere near the leadership of any country let alone ours, both him and Corbyns being the choice of party leaders shows just how far politics has dropped level wise in this country.

 

During the dark days before The Good Friday agreement, Sinn Fein were supported by several US presidents. They had them as guests regularly and campaigned for their cause imploring the UK government to concede to them.

Are they terrorist sympathisers too?

 

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

 

Yes

 

Letting the media form every single political opinion you have is a problem. Not everything you read and hear is going to be bullshit, but the press are known for being biased, telling lies and giving out misleading information designed to fool the general populace. Your subsequent posts are testament to this.

Let's take Corbyn's ties with Hamas for example and how this according to you clearly makes him a terrorist sympathiser. The reality is that Corbyn has frequently spoken out against the violence imposed by Osrael in Palestinian territory, and even signed an open letter to Downing Street which said that the UK should end their close relationship with Israel as it involved buying and selling arms and facilitating war.

His support for Palestinian causes saw him develop ties to Hamas, not because he likes bombs and hand grenades but because he believes that peace can only pursue with dialogue- something Trump was lauded for when he met up with Kim Jong Un.

There's the difference between seeing Corbyn with a terrorist and automatically assuming he's one too cos the press are telling you so and a bit of added context that provides a more accurate, less sinister narrative ultimately not provided in the right wing rags you read. You're a sheep who'll believe any old shite that's fed to you.

 

One man's terrorsit is another man's freedom fighter an all.............maybe Corbyn has an understanding of Irish/English history?

Personally, regardless of his views on the above, I would not want him running our country, nor would I want anybody leading this Labour party running our country either.

 

My wife is Catholic Irish, born and bred in Belfast, and believes Ireland should be one. However, she doesnt believe in terrorism to gain her wishes and she totally rejects Corbyn's sympathetic views towards the IRA.

She has even voted Labour in the past, under Blair, but she views the possibility of Corbyn and McDonnell running the country that she settled in, far too dangerous to contemplate.

If Labour had had a credible leader during the past few years, they would be in power now. Every Labour voter I know has the same view as I do about Corbyn

 

Where on earth have you got this from? McDonnell has cited Lenin and Trotsky as significant influences on him. No real surprise there, given his socialist views, since Lenin and Trotsky were both very clever men and both were deep thinkers and erudite writers. But Stalin and Mao Tse Tung? I don't think so.
McDonnell has Marxist views about the class system and capitalist economics. But that's a very long way from being a Communist who advocates violent revolution to gain power and ruthless suppression of all dissent, including genocide, to hold onto it, as Mao and Stalin practised.
It's perfectly possible to hold a Marxist analysis of how capitalist society works without supporting totalitarian Communist dictators like Stalin and Mao.
McDonnell has worked within our parliamentary democracy for 22 years as an MP, and before that as a very successful Chair of Finance for the GLC and as a local councillor. As far as I'm aware he's never been a member of the Communist Party, or the SWP, or the RCP, or any of the other nut job far left parties in the UK. He's always been a democrat and prepared to work within our political system to argue for a fairer society.
Both Corbyn and McDonnell have flaws and have made questionable statements and alliances in the past. But the suggestion that they are some kind of covert communist threat to our society is a hysterical overreaction, akin to calling Boris Johnson a Nazi, which he clearly isn't, because he's on the right of our political spectrum.

The level of political discourse in the UK press is pretty shallow, mostly sensationalist and, in the case of newspapers, heavily dominated by billionaire owners who caricature anyone slightly left of the Tories as dangerous reds under the beds. If all you rely on is the mainstream media then you will be getting a heavily skewed viewpoint.

 

Its where politics has reached in this country Steve, anyone leaning to the right of the political spectrum is 'nazi scum', anyone to the left a 'communist, you mention anything positive about Palestine and you're a Jew hating holocaust denier, mention anything akin to backing up the Jews and you're an 'islamaphobe'. Sit in the middle like i do and you just sit back and let them get on with it.

 

Oh really? An expert on the GLC are you?
The GLC under Livingstone and McDonnell was hughely successful. It delivered high quality services, including ultra-cheap transport, to millions of people, and balanced its budget. And McDonnell was a big part of that success.
The GLC was massively popular with the London electorate. It showed that it was possible to deliver democratic socialist policies without running up huge debts.
Of course it was anathema to Thatcher, who hated that Londoners loved Ken's policies and kept re-electing him. She couldn't beat the GLC, so she abolished it, which was an act of pure political spite and a democratic disgrace.

 

I don't see or hear anybody calling any of the Tory Party, 'Nazi scum'. They are certainly the most right wing government of my lifetime - well to the right of Thatcher's mob and potentially disastrous for our country - but they certainly aren't Nazis. But I frequently see and hear democratic left wing politicians who've worked within our parliamentary democracy for decades, characterised as dangerous communists.