Brexit

It says a lot about the attitudes of remain side when you read some of the posts on here, very poor show.

 

No one likes to be a loser, its bad enough being a Bradford City supporter .

 

No apologies needed, your above is very much how I see things with regards Tories trying to water down EU employment law/conditions, and how our MPs have conveniently forgotten in many cases just how their electorate voted in the Referendum.
I find the EU parliament equally as funny, with regards your both sides, "are getting so worked up about it" I'm annoyed because many remainers keep replying us leavers didn't know what leaving would do to the country, for every expert who says we will struggle I could find people who would argue otherwise.
The likes of Mark Carney has had two goes of calling it and made himself look foolish when called out, the ex-Governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King quotes https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1107502/no-deal-scare-stories-absurd-brexit-ex-bank-of-england-governor-mervyn-king-mark-carney.

I can't see anything coming out of her meetings with Corbyn, if she weakens on the custom union the Tory party will never be forgiven IMO and seeing the way Corbyn who was always an anti EU supporter, God knows what he'd do when a difficult decision had to be taken.

 

So the inward investment is into the UK not the EU? and these businesses will not want to trade in the EU anymore is that what you are saying?

If the european HQ of a Chinese business is in the UK it could be argued it is because the business world speaks English and we have a stable economy with a skilled workforce. Therefore we benefit from that over any other EU country because we get the investment, jobs and the tax revenue. If we leave the EU those businesses have and will move their HQs into the EU because its a bigger market than the UK. You cant deny that fact.

Yes, we will still have most big brands, companies etc in the UK selling to us. But their HQs will be british, serving 60million people not 500million. As a result the investment we currently get will drop, jobs will relocate or be lost, we become poorer. Its something that you cant argue with because its how business works, its capitalism.

That level of FDI (£450 billion) will never be recovered by being an independent nation. You know why? because businesses, investors, capital came into the UK as a gateway to a 500million strong market. Without that market they will find a new gateway and our 60million strong market is just not worth it. If we have no treaties, no ties, no way of offering more then we are simply an island nation, isolated with limited market potential.

Plain and simple economics regardless of if you voted for no deal, a deal, or remain. If you are happy with that and so is the majority of the UK then thats what we do.

 

The referendum was thrust upon remainers, we didnt ask for it. The opinion polls showed a 17% support in brexit before the ref was announced.

On that note if you fervently disagree with an ideology, if you believe based on sound reasoning and logic that something will make you poorer, if you think that the health of the entire nation is about to be harmed, and if that is then supported by the fact the other side was only 51% of the vote. Would you honestly sit back like a coward and not fight for what you think is right?

You think its some gentleman's agreement, it is not. It is an existential battle between conservatism and progressive politics and i for one will continue to fight for what I feel is right.

 

You didn't go out in numbers and vote for it either.
Keep telling us leaves enough times and we'll start believing you remoaners.
72 % an unprecedented turn out never been know, as I say us leavers got out in numbers but you remoaners keep bleating "we didn't want it. it was thrust upon us""


One will continue to fight for what I feel is right, don't think you need to the MPs in Parliament are doing enough trying to scupper a democratic vote.

 

What is your point?

I didn't agree to honour a non-binding advisory referendum. I never voted tory once in my life. Am I democratically elected? no. Am I breaking the law by protesting and demonstrating? No.

You wanted more democracy and now you dont like the parts of democracy that enshrine the whole concept itself. The right to free speech and demonstration.

 

The fact you quoted this post highlights you were one that my post was aimed at. At the end of the day I could debate with you but I've seen what you resort to when some disagrees with you.

Thrust upon remainers? It was put to the whole country and the majority of the country voted for Brexit.

 

Of course you didn't ask for a referendum, you didn't want to leave. Not really democratic though is when it was proved that the majority of voters DID want to leave. Only fair in the circumstances to allow people a vote. Damn that democracy eh?

 

You can demonstrate and shout for your free speech as much as you want. Just remember, there a lot of people who don't agree with you. Over 17 million of them. Time for dialogue and debate and hopefully a fresh start in the world of British politics.

 

Then it's not democracy is it, 52% voted to leave as it said on the form, and it looks like remoaners are going to highjack the vote.
I'm not to sure your correct when you say it's a none binding vote, I'm sure Cameron said "it's a once in a life time vote we either remain or leave and what ever the electorates decision we will honor it" here is it have a listen. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-result-must-be-respected-david-cameron-says-a7105886.html I'd suggest that's a binding vote not an advisory vote, if it was only advisory they wouldn't still be arguing about it, the vote would have been scuppered by now as 80% of MPs in Parliament are pro the EU.
The no deal is still on as I believe the vote the other night is only advisory, if she has the balls to do it on 12th April she can go to the default if an agreement cant be reached.

Here this is what Junker is saying now no extension after 12th April lets hope he is as good as his word.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2019-04-03/eu-s-juncker-says-no-divorce-deal-no-short-brexit-extension-video

 

Park my friend it means nothing if Junker and his cronies don't give an extension after 12th April as he says here, what happens then every thing goes back to the status quo ?.
Here have a listen https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2019-04-03/eu-s-juncker-says-no-divorce-deal-no-short-brexit-extension-video

 

The way i see it mate, there's a lot of people happy with the situation as it was, hence the amount of people who voted remain. But because a lot of people voted against it, more in fact, then we can't just revert to how it was before. There needs to be compromise, and we all know in politics, no one wants to compromise. I believe this situation could have been easily avoided if action had been taken years ago rather than all parties sticking their heads in the sand.

 

I can't see how there can be a compromise on a clear vote of leave and we come out of the EU single market but most of all the customs union.
I said when Thersa May put to MPs the first time, if May could get a bit more leeway with regards the back stop its about as good as she could get, there has been no movement, I believe she will bring it back and have another vote and it will be very close, although I can understand the DUP point, and unless she can do some deal the DUP wont vote for it, although I believe the likes of Boris Johnson & Jacob Rees-Mogg would rather than it getting the deal diluted more trying to pacify all parties.

 

My point being it needn’t have come to a vote to leave, but as usual politicians are not proactive, they just stick their heads in the sand and pretend everything is fine. Its like how the governments have cut public services, underfunded facilities for the young and then spend money trying to work out why kids are running amok on the streets?

 

I'm not sure once UKIP started getting involved Cameron had to do something, so he went to the EU got what he thought was a good deal (and that was only for a specified length of time) and then offered his deal to the electorate in a one off referendum, I also believe it was to shut the anti EU MPs in the Tory party up, boy did it back fire, of course he didn't do as he said he would and see it through, Cameron and his side kick Osborne resigned and left other to deal with the situation.
Can't disagree with the highlighted quote, looks like the police are being asked to increase stop and search, and all the problem that can bring.

 

So junkers word as about as good as Theresa Mays, we will leave on 29th March repeated many many times at the dispatch box.