The Tories are bastards.
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Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Craven Cottager, Nottsy and BigDaddyO like this.
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Successive Governments have totally dropped the ball on immigration and citizenship and this is why we have ended up in this mess. It isn't because of the current government. It is just them who are now having to try to sort the mess out.
My hope would be that we are, as a nation, firm but fair. Where there is a clear case of blamelessness (e.g. someone who arrived as a four year old sixty years ago) then we have compassion and understanding as a default.
The problem is that is very hard to have blanket rules as there are so many scenarios.
Hopefully, going forward, we will have a much more 'grown-up' immigration policy that is fair, equitable, compassionate and achieves our objectives as a nation.Tony Wilkinson, Offside and Bronco like this. -
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Are you saying our 'twatish' Government should let them all in?
And if you answer 'no' then can you tell me how exactly how our 'twatish' Government should decide?
Maybe we could have an X-Factor style talent contest or why not toss a coin or play one potato two potato.
Or just maybe our 'twatish' Government should have some rules and laws that we try to follow and implement, coupled with a fair and equitable appeals procedure.
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Three related points:
- Had the previous Government not emptied the treasury's coffers and left the country in massive debt, there may have been sufficient funds available to pay for digitisation.
- The technology to do mass digitisation has existed since the start of the century so why was this not done before 2009 then this mess could have been avoided completely.
- If the previous Government had not messed up so very badly on immigration over so many years then the kind of tough measures now having to be imposed would not have been necessary.
The most important thing now is to recognise that mistake have been made and to get them rectified as quickly and efficiently as possible, and let these poor people get on with their lives in the knowledge that they ARE valued members of our community and always will be.Offside and Tony Wilkinson like this. -
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They shouldn't have been kicked out , but that isn't what you saidOffside likes this. -
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There have to sensible rules and procedures in place otherwise the country will be full to bursting with people coming here for a better life.
Unfortunately, as with any rules and regulations, this may mean some people have inadvertently broken the rules - yes, often without knowing.
Alas, it also brings to our attention the odd case of the Bradford girl who now lives in Cumbria. On the surface it seems unfair, but as you did deeper it seems her parents have put her in a weird position by not completing paperwork correctly. Hopefully it will get sorted in a positive way as she she seems like the kind of person we need in this country.
But how would you feel if a friend or relative was killed by someone who didn't have the correct papers - in fact didn't have ANY papers - to say they could live in this country.
How would you feel if 40,000 Pakistans came to join relatives in Bradford and didn't bother with the proper paperwork.
I totally agree that the Windrush generation may need a lot of leeway and I hope they get it, but at the same time we must start to become stronger and more efficient at ensuring rules are followed.Tony Wilkinson likes this. -
Alas. We have to have rules and rules have to be followed otherwise it would be a free for all and we would have anarchy.
I have a friend who, for various reason, won't apply for a passport. He thinks he has been here all his life and he is over 50 now. It isn't his fault that he is in this mess, but equally it isn't the Government's fault that his parents seem to have not done things by the book. It also not the Government's fault that he had his buried his head in the sand his whole adult life. Should he have spoken up sooner and tried to sort it out? Tough call.Offside likes this. -
Here's some interesting information for all those who blame that 'twatish' Tory government.
"Both Labour and the Conservatives have accused each other of being responsible for the destruction of Windrush landing cards. The decision to dispose of them was taken in 2009 under Labour (although the then-Home Secretary says he didn’t sign it off). The actual destruction of the documents took place under the Conservatives, when Theresa May was Home Secretary. The documents were destroyed as part of the UK Border Agency’s legal obligations under the the Data Protection Act. At the time, the Border Agency didn’t consider the documents to be of sufficient value to keep hold of."
Source: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-who-destroyed-the-windrush-landing-cards
So mistakes all round I'd say - and that is coming from the left-wing biased Channel 4.
It is getting a bit tedious that when anything happens Corbyn and his groupies point their finger at the Tories and start calling the cold-hearted callous twats, or similar. Truth is that successive governments have messed up BIG TIME on immigration and none more so than the Blair's time in office, and Brown after him, under which the decision to dispose of these records was made.Tony Wilkinson likes this. -
Bitl like the rest of the World really .
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Or just Cumbria......
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