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  1. Hoochy-Min

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    The Tories are bastards.
     
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  2. Offside

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    Think you will find that Labour agreed to despose of the records , this of course will not fit in with the left wing rhetoric , but dont let facts get in the way of a good story.
     
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  3. Yorkieman

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    How do you decide who is illegal and who is not?

    Successive Governments have totally dropped the ball on immigration and citizenship and this is why we have ended up in this mess. It isn't because of the current government. It is just them who are now having to try to sort the mess out.

    My hope would be that we are, as a nation, firm but fair. Where there is a clear case of blamelessness (e.g. someone who arrived as a four year old sixty years ago) then we have compassion and understanding as a default.

    The problem is that is very hard to have blanket rules as there are so many scenarios.

    Hopefully, going forward, we will have a much more 'grown-up' immigration policy that is fair, equitable, compassionate and achieves our objectives as a nation.
     
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  4. Tony Wilkinson

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    Typical snowflake comment, overblown non story..............
     
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  5. Storck

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    You might not care about pedantry or technicalities but they are not all British citizens currently. Some are because they applied and completed the paperwork. Some aren't because they didn't
     
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  6. Yorkieman

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    There are 65 MILLION refugees in the world and hundreds of millions of people who want to be economic migrants.

    Are you saying our 'twatish' Government should let them all in?

    And if you answer 'no' then can you tell me how exactly how our 'twatish' Government should decide?

    Maybe we could have an X-Factor style talent contest or why not toss a coin or play one potato two potato.

    Or just maybe our 'twatish' Government should have some rules and laws that we try to follow and implement, coupled with a fair and equitable appeals procedure.

    Your choice
     
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  7. Yorkieman

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    You're right. Alas, things change all the time and that can have a knock on impact on decisions made in the past.

    Three related points:
    1. Had the previous Government not emptied the treasury's coffers and left the country in massive debt, there may have been sufficient funds available to pay for digitisation.
    2. The technology to do mass digitisation has existed since the start of the century so why was this not done before 2009 then this mess could have been avoided completely.
    3. If the previous Government had not messed up so very badly on immigration over so many years then the kind of tough measures now having to be imposed would not have been necessary.
    So the conclusion being that it isn't acceptable to put all blame on this Government for a mess that was quite clearly (in a major part) caused by the previous Government.

    The most important thing now is to recognise that mistake have been made and to get them rectified as quickly and efficiently as possible, and let these poor people get on with their lives in the knowledge that they ARE valued members of our community and always will be.
     
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  8. Nottsy

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    They were given indefinite leave to remain in 1971. They are British citizens...I don’t care for the pedantry or technicalities, they’re being treated like pieces of shit by a government in pursuit of numbers.
     
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  9. Storck

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    I wasn't getting into the rights and wrongs of the removal. I was questioning your statement that citizens had been kicked out of the country.

    They shouldn't have been kicked out , but that isn't what you said
     
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  10. Nottsy

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    We’re on about British citizens, mate..People, like you and me...Decent, law abiding, hard working folk, who’ve done absolutely nothing wrong...People (yes, human beings) losing jobs, losing homes, refused healthcare and threatened with deportation because of government policy...That makes this government Twats, in my eyes....Snivelling, dishonest, buck passing TWATS!
     
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  11. Yorkieman

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    This isn't something that has just happened. It has been bubbling for years under successive Governments.

    There have to sensible rules and procedures in place otherwise the country will be full to bursting with people coming here for a better life.

    Unfortunately, as with any rules and regulations, this may mean some people have inadvertently broken the rules - yes, often without knowing.

    Alas, it also brings to our attention the odd case of the Bradford girl who now lives in Cumbria. On the surface it seems unfair, but as you did deeper it seems her parents have put her in a weird position by not completing paperwork correctly. Hopefully it will get sorted in a positive way as she she seems like the kind of person we need in this country.

    But how would you feel if a friend or relative was killed by someone who didn't have the correct papers - in fact didn't have ANY papers - to say they could live in this country.

    How would you feel if 40,000 Pakistans came to join relatives in Bradford and didn't bother with the proper paperwork.

    I totally agree that the Windrush generation may need a lot of leeway and I hope they get it, but at the same time we must start to become stronger and more efficient at ensuring rules are followed.
     
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  12. Yorkieman

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    I have done some reading and I MASSIVELY empathise with the people involved. It just doesn't seem right as these are good people who have been hard working and contributed hugely in so many ways.

    Alas. We have to have rules and rules have to be followed otherwise it would be a free for all and we would have anarchy.

    I have a friend who, for various reason, won't apply for a passport. He thinks he has been here all his life and he is over 50 now. It isn't his fault that he is in this mess, but equally it isn't the Government's fault that his parents seem to have not done things by the book. It also not the Government's fault that he had his buried his head in the sand his whole adult life. Should he have spoken up sooner and tried to sort it out? Tough call.
     
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  13. Nottsy

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    Tackle ILLEGAL immigration, sure...Just don’t victimise totally innocent people, that’s all I’m saying.
     
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  14. Yorkieman

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    Interesting reading. Thanks for sharing that. I learned something.
     
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  15. Yorkieman

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    Here's some interesting information for all those who blame that 'twatish' Tory government.

    "Both Labour and the Conservatives have accused each other of being responsible for the destruction of Windrush landing cards. The decision to dispose of them was taken in 2009 under Labour (although the then-Home Secretary says he didn’t sign it off). The actual destruction of the documents took place under the Conservatives, when Theresa May was Home Secretary. The documents were destroyed as part of the UK Border Agency’s legal obligations under the the Data Protection Act. At the time, the Border Agency didn’t consider the documents to be of sufficient value to keep hold of."

    Source: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-who-destroyed-the-windrush-landing-cards

    So mistakes all round I'd say - and that is coming from the left-wing biased Channel 4.

    It is getting a bit tedious that when anything happens Corbyn and his groupies point their finger at the Tories and start calling the cold-hearted callous twats, or similar. Truth is that successive governments have messed up BIG TIME on immigration and none more so than the Blair's time in office, and Brown after him, under which the decision to dispose of these records was made.
     
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  16. Offside

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    Bitl like the rest of the World really .
     
  17. Steve1970

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    Or just Cumbria...... :)
     
  18. Nottsy

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    Is it? What country deports it’s own citizens in “error”?
     
  19. Offside

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    Name me 1 country in the World that has welcomed and embrassed as many people from different religions and back grounds that the UK have .
     
  20. Storck

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    Not really read the full details but are they citizens? If so how?
     
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