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They love to play the moral highground but deep down they all play the system. Instead of voting for a party that is fair and honest we have to looking at voting for one that is least corrupt. What a joke.

 

It's an utter nonsense now, isn't it.

 

The way forward really needs to be a completely new take on politics. Ultimately the world revolves around capitalism but only really works with successful economies. Our country is finished Dave, in a global economy why on earth would you set up in the UK?

 

I think we will see what a Labour government do after the next election. I'll be surprised if they last more than one term, hence my reluctance to vote for any of them.

 

There isn't one, we are going out without a whimper ...

 

Our generation has lived through the best of times, dodged WW2 and will check out before the inevitable uprising to come ....

 

Definitely strange times ahead Tone. I might not live to see it but there is definitely a large scale power shift on the horizon to dethrone the USA. China the major threat to their domination. Not sure China see too kindly to the woke brigade that infiltrates American society these days.

 

Alternatively, once the ageing nostalgists like you have all died off, the country will get on with living together more peacefully without all the muck raking and belly aching. Most of the culture war shit comes from older people who can’t cope with change. A large majority of people under fifty don’t have a hissy fit about people who look or speak differently from themselves.

 

So why not shut up moaning about it all the time?

 

Why do you call it infiltration? It is simply a younger generation who have different values. My generation’s parents in the 60s thought the apocalypse was upon them because people grew their hair, smoked dope and had sex before marriage. It’s no different.

 

There are numerous psephalogic reasons why it’s much, much harder for Labour to win elections than the Tories, under our first past the post system. Because the Labour vote is mostly concentrated in a smaller number of large urban areas it took an average of 59,817 votes to elect a Labour MP at the last election, compared to 38,300 for a Tory MP. Then add in the overwhelming Tory bias of the British print media and it’s a wonder any Labour MPs ever get elected.
We shall see at this years GE. Most polls and psephologists are predicting a Tory wipeout. If that happens (and I’m not convinced it will) then Starmer should easily get two terms - especially if the Tories go further to the right, as is likely. Contrary to what some people on here believe, UK elections are won in the centre ground. The experiences of Corbyn and Michael Howard demonstrate this.

 

Another piece of irony is that I believe this bloke is already in his sixties and probably not far behind us both but not yet grown up or earned his 'wisdom' wings .....

 

I never said that there will be some ‘wonderful diverse utopia’, did I? I said ‘more peacefully’, which means less argumentatively than now. There will always be some conflicts in society. But it’s now well established that the majority (not all, obviously) of the very divisive ‘anti-woke’ culture war stuff is coming from older people and that most younger people a) hold much more liberal views and b) aren’t becoming as conservative as they get older as previous generations did. My kids are in their mid 30s. They and all their friends live happily cheek by jowl with people of all colours, creeds and sexualities and don’t understand why so many older people are freaked by demographic change and liberal views. So there is some hope that, as those who still hanker after the Britain of the mid 20th century die off, then the worst of the antagonism will gradually fade. Which is not the same as saying there will be a wonderfully diverse utopia.

 

See my reply to Rogered Tart above.

Clearly, anyone who regards the despised Thatcher as ‘dear old Maggie’ is not going to see the world the same way as me.

 

What utter bollocks. Nowhere is it written that you have to become narrow minded, cynical and deeply socially conservative as you grow older. Although, tbh, I strongly suspect that you were always like that.

 

So what is your proposed alternative? You’re great at dismissing everything as useless but never come up with ideas for anything better. What would your idea of a good political party/government look like?

Labour tried the radical approach under Corbyn and got hammered for it. It’s now trying the cautious approach in order to make sure it gets elected and going for gradual improvements rather than big bang stuff. I’d rather they were somewhere in the middle but I can perfectly understand why they’re doing this. All the while the Tories are in power they will continue to run down our nation infrastructure and all our public services while enriching themselves and their friends. The most important thing is to get them out as soon as possible, with the biggest majority possible to ensure a second term, as that will be needed to create any meaningful change. If that means being ultra cautious for now then so be it.

 

But what you are missing is that ‘countries losing their identities’ is a much bigger deal for older people than it is for most of those born from the eighties onwards. They have only ever experienced living in a much more racially and socially mixed world than we grew up with, so it doesn’t freak them out like it does many older people. This is also why so many younger people are so angry about Brexit. They see it as the older generation trying to go back to the country of their youth whilst depriving them of the opportunities to live, work and move seamlessly between Britain and the continent.