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The Strikers

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by The Outsider, Sep 5, 2021.

  1. The Outsider

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    The EFL on Quest said it was "laughable if it didnt leave you crying" the number of chances we created that went begging ?.
    Watching the other games its evident to me we do not have the quality at the sharp end of Harrogate -Muldoon , Orient - Smith, Rochdale - Beesley, Port Vale - Proctor, Mansfield - Hyde and the list goes on !

    Cooks a good striker who originally was our second choice to Novak. Thats the highest I would rate him "good" hes not very good and a long way from excellent. Mr Adams pitted Cook up against three centre halves once Walsall went down to 10. Despite firing in enough crosses to resemble the "blitz of Dresden" Cook was out numbered time and again. Any purchase he got was squandered and with no partner alongside to further occupy the Walsall defenders we never going to breakthrough ?

    We clearly have in this team the ability to create chances but we have a serious lack of anyone to take them. Alas this will be our undoing !. Which brings me to Lavery and Robinson ? I think we can say with 99% certainty now that neither of these two are going to take this club to promotion. Lavery lacks presence and to be honest I would take Miller over him every day of the week. Robinson just looked nothing when he was thrown on by Mr Adams and far from match fit ? Expected better from Mr Adams than this caper to be fair.

    The crux is that the strikers will let us down. There are goals in the team but there will be no where near enough from up top ? Can Cook stay fit for 46 games ? Oddly enough his playing record seems to show that he can pretty much steer clear of the treatment room ? - evidence his stints at Grimsby - Barrow - Tranmere - Walsall & Mansfield hitting the 40 + target season on season. So we will have to keep fingers crossed on that. ?

    But if he was out what then ? Well you can forget Lavery and Robinson stepping up to the job. So to me Mr Adams would need to push Evans up top with Vernam the second striker ? To me Evans is a decent " all round footballer" with the experience of playing in the striker role.

    Despite the clubs efforts to quickly turn around the playing squad. It has omitted to provide sufficient quality in the striker position to carry us confidently into the weeks and months ahead. We have to hope Cook will stay fit and capable of converting the chances we can clearly deliver into goals ? We are behind a good number of our League 2 counterparts in this department.

    Its been a disappointing 7 days for Bradford City. Having Mr Adams as our manager in itself may not be enough ? It has clearly been built in by Ryan Sparks as a reason why we can do well this season. So its suprising that he has failed to give Mr Adams the cutting edge strikers that would make his task all the easier. Yesterday it was clear that we are nowhere near "very good" enough and why this is not going to make easy watching.

    On to Salford.
     
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  2. Rogered Tart

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    I stopped reading at the point you said you'd take Miller over Lavery. I'd have Bruenker over Miller who has no asset to his game whatsoever.
     
  3. The Outsider

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    Yeah I get that as well; just airing my frustration at the underwhelming options of Lavery and Robinson more than claiming Miller is the be all and end all of a striker? . Thanks for letting me clear this up.
     
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  4. Tony Wilkinson

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    Oh for a Robbie Blake or a Nahki Wells eh..?
     
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  5. Rogered Tart

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    It's a damnung indictment of league 2 when there are better strikers in the national league this season. A successful striker is the hardest position to fill because everyone wants one, but heck does this club need one. With the amount of chances we're creating I could see a decent one hitting 25 goals this season.
     
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  6. Mike Hunt

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    Twelve months ago it was obvious we went in to the season without enough quality up front and the problem still hasn’t been fixed.

    20/21 - Novak, Donaldson, Guthrie, Samuels
    21/22 - Cook, Lavery, Robinson, Angol

    I’m not sure this season’s front four are any sort of upgrade on where we were a year ago. Lose Cook or Novak and the options are/were limited.

    Unless something changes this is what will cost promotion, for the sake of a couple of hundred grand. A couple of hundred grand spent on Kelleher who keeps Staunton out of the squad and Gilliead who doesn’t offer an awful lot.

    Got to question Turnbull’s role, so far his recruitment has been mixed at the very best.
     
  7. Idlebantam

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    None of the strikers you mention have scored more than Cook in the league. You mention the quality of those strikers you see on Quest, but you dont mention all the chances those same strikers miss, just like Cook may do, because Quest will not show them.

    Your criticism of Robinson based on yesterday is very harsh, he was on the pitch for about 5 minutes for heavens sake.

    Whilst agreeing that Lavery has been anonymous in his fleeting appearances, your praise of George Miller is puzzling, he offered nothing whatsoever yesterday, he was very poor for us, he looks like a schoolboy who has won a competition to play for the first team.

    I trust in Derek Adams to bring us success and I am happy with how we are playing and the good start to the season
     
  8. Dennis

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    I agree with most of what you say. We are still short of a clinical striker, somebody to take the pressure off Cook. As we saw yesterday, we are capable of creating enough chances to win games if only we could convert the chances into goals. We haven't seen anything of Lavery or Robinson as yet and they might in time disprove my concern. But heaven help us if Cook picks up an injury since it's almost 4 months before we can recruit another striker and we still have no idea when Angol will become available again.

    We have missed an opportunity to strengthen the strikers and by leaving it until late into the transfer window, finished up with the leftovers. That might prove to be unfair on Robinson and Lavery but imo they are not of the quality a promotion chasing squad would need. Relying on Cook and the injury prone Angol was a risky strategy and it has now backfired on us. And at the risk of repeating myself, there are another 4 months to go before that can be rectified.
     
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    I watched Robinson when he came on and he made some good runs but our midfielders haven't the brains to play through balls and just kept playing it wide.The way we played yesterday when Walsall went down to 10 men was the ideal scenario for their defence ,not one midfielder, winger or striker ran at them and just were so predictable. Adams after match ìnterview was worrying if he thought we were fantastic and said it was as good a game of football that you would see anywhere. We should have put on another striker at half time not with 15 -20 mins to go and change things up instead of the boring side to side shite we served up.
     
  10. Mike Hunt

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    I think it would be less of a concern if you felt that say Crankshaw, Vernam, Gilliead and Cooke could weigh in with 5 or10 goals or so each, but I’ve not seen anything to suggest they can. Lavery and Robinson need to make an impact because January is a long time away.
     
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    Between Cooke, Gilliead, Vernam and Crankshaw, they managed 10 goals in 171 appearances last season.

    Lavery and Robinson, 9 goals in 70 appearances lasr season.

    No real surprises on these numbers, as most of these players have plyed their trade in recent years, at the lowest level of the football league
     
  12. Dennis

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    I'd be confident in the likes of the four you mentioned (and others) chipping in with some goals but much less confident that they'd collectively score 40 goals over the season! It's the strikers who are rightly expected to produce the majority of goals and I don't imagine that our current group of strikers will get anywhere near enough to get us into the auto spots.

    I know we've only played 6 games so far but there are already signs that we lack that clinical approach in front of goal. I hope I'm wrong and that Adams can find a way to get more goals from the opportunities created. However, it could be very frustrating for everybody if we continue to squander good chances. in games we should be winning comfortably.
     
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    Just seen that Bristol Rovers signed Leon Clarke. He'd certainly have put one of those chances away yesterday.

    36 now but considering we're struggling in that area he would have been a decent short term option.

    Regarding the original post though, it's nonsense. All he's done is listed the scorers yesterday and none of them have a better record than Cook.
     
  14. Chris Withe

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    I still can't understand why the manager didn't take a couple of punts in the loan market? Especially for a squad that is obviously lacking in forwards. Yes, they could have been worse than useless, but for the minimum outlay they cost, the club are not much worse off than if they didn't bother. We must be one of the very few clubs in the lower leagues that don't add a bit of padding to the squad by utilising them. Especially in an exceptionally attritional league like this one.
     
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  15. Biker

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    Is it the strikers or is it the bloated midfield formation, The guilt edged missed chance yesterday fell to Vernam, not a striker.

    Cook is allowed the odd off game. Lavery looks physically weak but that doesn’t mean he is rubbish maybe he will make clever runs into space, Robinson won’t be match fit.

    Overall we do seem a bit light on decent quality upfront.

    And Evans is a waste of a wage, Sutton is a better player and probably earns a third of what he does.
     
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    Spot on. Cook is joint second in the top scorer list - albeit its very early days. He'll get goals in this league. What we needed to do - and hopefully will do in January, is add just the one quality attacking player that could thrive in this team.

    The goals will come, I'm convinced of it. I'm more worried about us at the back. We don't look solid at all.
     
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    Funny old game I thought Evans had a decent first half, with regards Sutton after hearing Adams post match comment if looks like the lad needs to get his head down and impress Adams.
     
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    Sorry Ray, that's far too long to read.
     
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    Did Miller even touch the ball yesterday?
     
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    Leon Clarke is possibly the uks oldest living male, he must be at least 109
     
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