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Takeover Rumours

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by EdwinB, Dec 9, 2021.

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Who would you like to see running the club

  1. RUPP

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  1. Tony Wilkinson

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    For once, and just this once, I agree with you..
     
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  2. Clity

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    I cant deny that sends shivers down my spine

    The thing is we need to do this before anyone else does. It will attract big purchases from celebs, sports stars and everyone trying to show how cool and current they are.

    Stuff like this buys back the ground and gives us a proper playing budget.
     
  3. Park bantam

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    It would be a far better proposition if it had some football backing but I seriously doubt it. It’s just a load of speculators.
     
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    Totally agree Briggus well stated.
    Marching on together
     
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  5. vladimir

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    Absolutely, the fella has issued half a statement, there is definitely something going on behind the seens, if the statement was issued to stop the rumours it is a p*** poor attempt
     
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  6. Asafa

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    The statement from Rupp this morning could be read 2 ways:
    1) It was first contact Rupp has had. In which case takeover is definitely not close to happening and in all likelihood is a publicity stunt / smoke and mirrors for a different club that they actually want to buy.
    2) It's a negotiation strategy by Rupp. They could have been in contact over a deal for the last month and with a deal looking workable they made an official formal offer yesterday. Rupp stating 'no further action has taken place' is a cleverly worded sentence which essentially means no decision has been made. Ie it may be accepted, or, more likely, it is Rupp posturing for a better deal. He might even be wanting to see how all this Crypto/NFT chat plays publicly - he won't want to be the villain again if he sells it to the wrong people.

    On the actual potential business model of NFTs in football, I don't think you'll ever be able to convert enough of a clubs fanbase to adopt / buy NFTs. Far too many people are sceptical of their value and ultimately there is no tangible return on them. If that is the model, it won't end well.
    What I think will work, is selling club branded NFTs to other NFT nerds (not even necessarily football fans). These guys have enough reach to be able to push this and you could bring in significant revenue from a) the sale of NFT to an international market, and b) converting those people into fans who otherwise would've never heard of the Bitcoin Bantams (this would tie in with their comments about pushing selling iFollow broadcasts). That money could then be used to fund the club and if combined with a good management and stats-based approach could be very exciting indeed.
     
  7. Faithful Bantam

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    Offers are never made at the first point of contact. If an offer has been made, they've been talking for weeks.
     
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  8. Fordy117

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    You do understand that that the Yorkshire Post talks nonsense.

    Funny how Rupp has woken up and commented then.

    Give your head a shake
     
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  9. borderlescott

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    Can someone educate me on how these NFTs mean we would own a part of the club?

    i have no idea about this stuff but from the Kieran Maguire piece it sounded like NFT are selling bits of digital art that are unique. And the uniqueness gives it value.

    So you could have a card with images of historic City moments and you own that card or whatever?

    how does that make a League 2 club rich? The only demand for such art would come from within the clubs own fanbase? Nobody else cares if I have a card of McArdle with his tongue out at Wembley etc?

    and if trades are done using a crypto currency, the money isnt usable in the real world as you can’t pay player wages, transfer fees and bills using crypto. You’d need other clubs to commonly trade crypto, thats even if the EFL allowed it??

    So how so they owners get money out of crypto accounts into pounds sterling the club can spend in real life????
     
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  10. Asafa

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    The statement from Rupp this morning could be read 2 ways:
    1) It was first contact Rupp has had. In which case takeover is definitely not close to happening and in all likelihood is a publicity stunt / smoke and mirrors for a different club that they actually want to buy.
    2) It's a negotiation strategy by Rupp. They could have been in contact over a deal for the last month and with a deal looking workable they made an official formal offer yesterday. Rupp stating 'no further action has taken place' is a cleverly worded sentence which essentially means no decision has been made. Ie it may be accepted, or, more likely, it is Rupp posturing for a better deal. He might even be wanting to see how all this Crypto/NFT chat plays publicly - he won't want to be the villain again if he sells it to the wrong people.

    Which I think is exactly why 2 is the much more likely scenario. If it is 1 its not in any way serious and there won't be a takeover
     
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  11. SimonW

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    The thing is as I've said already on this thread for NFT's to have any value they need to provide one of two things (and ideally both). That being either utility or wide appeal.

    As I've said elsewhere something like Sorare gives utility with their football NFT's because you can use them to play a fantasy football game to win more cards or crypto so there is an inherent value to that (and as its not just 1 club involved but hundreds it has a wide appeal as well). Then you have something like Cryptopunk which has no utility but people liked the artwork and that caused it to go viral and explode as collectors want to add them to their collection because of the appeal.

    What they seem to be talking about is more the kind of thing we see City and PSG doing. The utility they bring to fans buying is pretty minor, nothing that really makes people clamour to own them (and the clubs hold so many in reserve that even if there was there would be no secondary market value to drive demand). All it will be is them creating NFT's and selling them at significant markups that only appeal to the hardcore city fan which due to no real utility holds little value and quickly trades at below the cost. And even if fans decide to cut their losses you will be basically paying them 10% of what you sell them for the privilege. And how much of it are they going to plough into the club rather than their own pockets, after all it's going to be hard making a return on the football side and the Angel investors in the company involved are pretty serious investors who will want a quick return so they are unlikely to be happy with all the money being ploughed into the club for the decade that's likely to be needed to turn the club around and establish them as even a midtable prem club where they are perhaps able to turn big sustained profits. They are likely to just keep coming back and asking for fans to give a hand out by buying worthless NFT's with a fair amount going in their pocket and only a fraction going into the transfer pot

    NFT's are the future but it's also the wildest right now with people using it as a quick cash grab. And this is coming from someone who has been in the crypto game since about 2011 so I'm someone who is bullish about the possibilities of Crypto and NFT's
     
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  12. Areyoureadingthisedin

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    Still laughing at owengoal, for that alone this is brilliant
     
  13. Park bantam

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    No I only understand you do
     
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    Most people think of NFT's as digital art as that's the most common use at the moment but NFT's can pretty much be anything. It's basically just a contract on the blockchain that proves you own something, its basically a digital contract. So it is perfectly possible that they could effectively sell NFT's that operated as shares and gave you a say in the running of the club. However, I believe they specifically said they aren't looking to do fan ownership which would seem to rule this out.

    So as you said its likely to just be artwork with no utility (maybe it might give you a discount at the club shop or on season tickets as well) that has no appeal outside the fan base and without that they end up being basically worthless. It will basically be them asking you to find the club which they take a cut out of for themselves without them needing to put their hands in their own pockets

    On Cryptocurrency, you can convert crypto into FIAT. It has some costs and the gas fees on some blockchains, bitcoin and Etheurum can be pretty high but if they use the right alt coin built on a more efficient blockchain the losses could be fairly minor. TBH they could also pay players in club tokens, part of Messi's signing on fee and his wages gets paid in the PSG fan token (although if he sells these PSG get around 10% of what he sells them for, although they are now worth much less than when they gave him them after an initial bump when he signed)
     
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    Whatever or whoever they end up buying (if they do) this is exactly what it is all about, creating themselves a "low risk" revenue stream out of nothing.
     
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    Again though without either utility or a wide appeal Crypto whales won't touch them. An image of Stuart McCall has no wide appeal really beyond city fans or people with Ginger Fetishes.

    I said above without selling to these people they would be better off approaching the likes of Sorare and seeing if they could get licenced on there. That gets it beyond the city fans, gives them utility and the club and players will benefit from a cut of sales and resales of cards without the clubs existence being tied to it
     
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    I assume that one of the benefits would be to use City as some form of publicity/advertising platform. You can potentially reach a different audience, by buying into a Football Club.
    Diversifying your portfolio is always something which can make a lot of sense.
    A relatively small injection of cash and other innovations can keep City and their owners in the limelight, potentially a mutually beneficial situation.
     
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    good. In all honesty the prospective buyers did not seem that keen, they didn't know that we don't own the ground nor any training facilities.

    im for one am not willing to gamble the club on a poor business plan.
     
  19. bantam2708

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    Where did they say that they didn't know about the stadium/training ground?
     
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  20. XCIV_Bantam

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    they did a twitter spaces yesterday, someone asked about buying the ground and he stuttered about it for a good five minutes. they then asked a fan what they would like to do and the fan replied buy the ground and training facilities.
     

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