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Takeover Rumours

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by EdwinB, Dec 9, 2021.

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Who would you like to see running the club

  1. RUPP

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  1. Mike Hunt

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    Closer to seven million turnover I think, perhaps even eight million this year. 3x turnover is one rule of thumb, 10x profit another.
     
  2. Park bantam

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    It’s more than a fair bet whoever bought the club they would want it to be run sustainably
     
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  3. Mike Hunt

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    20/21 season accounts are due by end of March, the 19/20 season was actually profitable on the back of the £3.2m received from Swansea for McBurnie.
     
  4. Mike Hunt

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    Only three people can put City into administration, Rupp, Alan Biggin and Clydesdale Bank as a secured lender.

    Biggin won’t unless he suspects it is trading whilst insolvent, that’s his legal duty.

    Clydesdale Bank won’t unless they think they’re not getting any money they are owed back and I don’t believe they are owed money.

    So that leaves Rupp. The club owes him money apparently, and he paid £6m or whatever for it. If it goes in to administration he loses the club and gets pence in the pound on his £1.8m loan. If the club doesn’t owe money do anybody else, why the hell would he do that?

    Let’s say there is a boycott, he has to inject money or the club goes into its overdraft to keep it afloat. If he puts it into administration he still loses his initial investment plus most of his loans AND the club has -12 points. Why would he do that? He would only do that if he wanted rid, and if he wanted to lose the least money he’d be better off selling now for a smaller loss.

    The only plausible scenario where it benefits Stefan is if he does what Ken Bates allegedly did at Leeds. The club runs up massive debts with say HMRC, the bank and crucially with one of his other companies. The debt with his other company might be a paper debt, it owes a licence fee or a management fee, not an actual debt. If he owns more than 75% of the debt, he can use administration to pay the debtors pence in the pound and buy the club back from the administrator. He’s written off 90% of the debt to the other companies and got the club back. The catch is HMRC won’t stand for that anymore.

    Because realistically Stefan is the only person who can put the club in to administration, there is no reasonably foreseeable scenario where the club runs in to serious debt and Rupp doesn’t sell up first. He’d be better off selling for a small return well before that happened.
     
  5. Dennis

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    Thanks for the information. I think I was first acquainted with Companies House and their reporting requirements about 30 years ago as a wet behind the ears newly qualified chartered accountant. Since then, I've lost count how many times I have used their services as a chartered accountant at one or other of the Big 4.

    Having said that, I have no idea of the source of your £3mill loss which you referred to. FYI, in their latest accounts which are available at Companies House (2019/20 season), the club made a profit of about £1.2 mill.
     
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  6. Rogered Tart

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    LOL I was waiting for that reply..
     
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    so was I, laughed at the first comment
     
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    Or sells it.

    That's the key option you seem to keep overlooking.
     
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  9. Rogered Tart

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    I don't ever envisage anyone coming in who would put their own money into the club. Rupp did but he's the only one in my life time and he now realises football in the lower leagues is a mugs game.
     
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  10. XCIV_Bantam

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    i never said that's impossible? Just because I say one thing doesn't rule everything else out...
     
  11. XCIV_Bantam

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    https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/05102915/filing-history
    Unaudited abridged accounts made up to 30 June 2020

    seriously why is everyone so damn sarcastic on this forum? I literally say in my comment I am not an accountant.
     
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  12. Dennis

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    I can .. but only somebody who is either a fan of the club already with his/her own wealth- such as Dean Hoyle or the Wilkos or Matthew Denham have all done - or as somebody who can see the potential of City (!) with enormous vision, significant wealth and the ability to do it. And by 'it' I mean get us into the PL where the riches are.

    Unfortunately, I've no evidence that there are people who might be interested in City who fit into either group!
     
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  13. XCIV_Bantam

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    can @Dennis@Dennis , @Storck@Storck , @Rogered Tart@Rogered Tart explain this? very confused here... so £32,172 profit?

    without any sarcasm thank you very much! o_O
     
  14. Stafford Bantam

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  15. Rogered Tart

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    I'm no expert on this stuff, Dennis is the go to guy for all things accounts.
     
  16. Dennis

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    No, it certainly isn't

    In simple terms, the £32k is what is left over from the original shareholder funds which were injected into the club sfter the Rhodes' bought it in 2003 from the Administrator and later increased to £3m when ML arrived. Over that period, the acumulated losses (with the occasional profit) over the 18 years of its existence (£2,967k) have eaten into the shareholders' funds. It demonstrates that in the long term, City doesn't make money and the losses have chipped away at the shareholders' funds.

    The profit for that particular year (2019/20) is what is described as 'Profit for the Year' in the P&L column of £1,161,062
     
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  17. Storck

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    As @StaffordBantam@StaffordBantam said the profit for that year was £1.1m The figure you are quoting is an ongoing total, so if you look at the previous year it would -£4.1m
     
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  18. XCIV_Bantam

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    "Why would he do that?"
    I am not saying he SHOULD I am saying he COULD. regardless of what is likely or not. I am tired of people jumping down my throat without the full picture.
     
  19. XCIV_Bantam

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    so did we make a loss then?
     
  20. hornseabantam

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    Ergo, replace the name Bradford City with pretty much 80 other clubs. The 'formula' for football in this country is currently a totally busted flush.
     

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