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Sky Sports pundits sacked

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Tony Wilkinson, Aug 26, 2020.

  1. Tony Wilkinson

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    MATT LE TISSIER has been kicked off Sky Sports along with fellow Soccer Saturday pundits Charlie Nicholas and Phil Thompson.


    Will have to be replaced by a gay, lgbt and a black person....probably...
     
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    What they been sacked for?
     
  3. Tony Wilkinson

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    So is it their contracts have just not been renewed rather than sacked?
     
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    And so what if they were...Would that bother you?
     
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  6. Tony Wilkinson

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    No, just wouldn't be surprised in this woke world, just look at the BBC nowadays......

    It's all about quota filling......
     
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    It depends. If its because these people are better than who they are replacing then fine but if its just quota filling then people should have an issue with it. Alex Scott and Micah Richards are two that are rumoured and they have got a fair bit of backlash online which saw Ian Wright come to their defence but his defence was things like saying that Alex Scott is the most prepared pundit in the business, but being prepared is hardly a key part of being a presenter, you can be as prepared as is humanly possible but if you don't have that charisma it doesn't matter. I know personally I never think she comes across all that natural or comfortable in front of the camera.
     
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    The issue with Sky Sports is it has become much of a muchness and a bit of a love in between them all.

    Shows like that need a refresh every so often otherwise it becomes boring.

    Is the show in growth in audience share? Or has it started declining? If the latter then it probably does need a shake up
     
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    In my mind the programme needed a change. I was shocked to hear Merson is still there as he is rubbish. I would have kept Thommo but the other two I am not fussed about.

    Micah Richards I am not a fan of myself, I think he wants to be the clown and is far too much of a Man City head that it clouds his judgement but I understand why he is in the frame and its the same reason why Merson is still there. Sky clearly don't want too many serious pundits now. You only need to watch Neville and Carra to find out that's how Sky want to go..BANTER ROUTE and people that can have a laugh at themselves. Suppose its why Clinton Morrison gets on Sky Sports often as well.

    Alex Scott is a decent presenter but she should be a leading one. I don't get women talking on a panel about the mens game but I don't mind them being head communicator like Gabby and Kelly.

    Going back to the main points though I can understand why Sky after 22 years have made this decision.

    Matt Murray I like. Al
     
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    Fair points @Fordy117@Fordy117 ,I think all 3 in one go is where the shock is, maybe Jeff Stelling should go too, it's just stinks in this present climate of wokeness and their blind support of the likes of BLM, they have badly misjudged the countries mood on this one...
     
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    To be fair I would've replaced Jeff and Merson also. I like the bloke that does it when Jeff isn't on.

    Glen Johnson is ok on the programme. I don't think it has anything to do with BLM. Lets be honest more black people should've been on programmes like this years ago.

    It's time for change but it has to be right.
     
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    Don't worry Fordy, you'll never convince him. Over a third of the footballers in the PL and Championship are black, but if TV companies try to even up the presenter representation it's because they're 'woke', apparently.
     
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    “THERE IS NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE!”
     
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    I'm okay with equality of opportunity as long as it doesn't appear to be tokenism. Women pundits on men's game is a problem for some people I know (men and women), I'm still undecided at the moment.
    It's happened in cricket with Isa Guha (rather an fortunate name for a woman) and Ebony Rainford-Brent. It helps that they both appear quite knowledgeable and talk sense. Plus I find them both quite easy on the eye. I have tried to be diplomatic with that comment Fordy but am I being borderline sexist?
     
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    Indeed.
     
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    See I think she is even less suitable as a main presenter than a pundit. You need natural charisma and an air of authority that she just doesn't have. Someone like Gabby or Rebecca Lowe who is great over in the States on NBC's coverage were better when they were first starting out on TV than Alex Scott is having had almost 2 years experience.

    I actually think her and a couple of the other female pundits are actually being hindered by fast tracking them for 'woke' reasons. They would have been better off staying working on the women's game, a game they have more direct insight into having played in the women's game where they could hone their skills, find their own style and gain some confidence. Then if you promote them to the mens game they start from a better position.
     
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    Alex Scott is nice, quietish and knowledgeable but it's the brash loud ex players that have lived the game at a more robust time that resonates with a lot of older football fans and makes that saturday afternoon more enjoyable when City are not playing at home...
    The black issue is not a problem, Ian Wright is usually watchable and we all love Chris Kamara.....
     
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    With Carra and Neville though I think they have the balance perfect. They can have some good natured banter which is easy and fun to watch but both are immensely knowledgeable and prepared so can switch into the more serious analysis with ease. And in both modes they are confident, engaging and charismatic (even if Carra's strong scouse accent is annoying lol)

    I actually think that's why the Soccer Saturday panel largely works as well, they can have fun with it but when needed switch into the serious mode. Where as Micah Richards has as you put it only been able to demonstrate being a clown, his actual analysis is often fairly weak and I've seen a few times where one of the other pundits has taken him to task over it. It's actually almost like he watched two complication tapes to prepare for the job, one of Ian Wright but only the bits where wrighty is being a clown rather than the bits he is being the intelligent pundit he can be and the other of Souness who lets be honest if anyone should be fired its him as like Micah he throws the idea of imparity out of the window. Again if you look at Neville and Carragher you might hate them for the club they used to play for and the passion they still show for that club but they don't let that bias colour everything they do

    Personally if it was me I would have maybe kept them all on but either added an extra 'hotseat' which would rotate between a few until you find someone who works and then you remove one of the regulars or just rotate the whole panel a bit more so of those 3 maybe 1 sits out each week, again trying to find the best person to freshen it up. As it is even if they get the best people possible to replace them they are going to need to build a rapport
     
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    That pretty much sums up why she isn't very good though. A pundit can't be quietish, it comes across as not having confidence in what she is saying. Paul Scholes is a good example, you wouldn't hear a peep out of him as a player and when he started to be a pundit it carried over, he seemed to fairly quickly realise that as a pundit you have to have an informed opinion and express it with confidence. He is far from the best pundit but atleast now he comes across as authentic and his opinion 'trustworthy'. There is that sweet spot where you need to show your passion but also show you are prepared and knowledgeable. You get someone like Paul Ince (Or as I mentioned above Souness) as an example who shows his passion and speaks with confidence but fails on the knowledgeable and prepared parts on a repeated basis and you get someone like Alex Scott who may be knowledgeable and prepared but comes across scared and as if she doesn't really believe what she is saying.
     
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    Alex Scott ticks all those three boxes mentioned. It's good to see her career progressing, but as mentioned above, you need to have a bit of charisma too. Personally, I've gone right off Lineker as he seems to have become a bit of a big head recently, same as Michael Vaughan, so you need someone who is balanced - knows and loves the game, commands respect of those listening, and is also able to have a bit of fun and be down to earth.
    Why don't they get Roy Keane to be a part of that panel? Would be hilarious.
     

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