Season tickets (Now with guess how Many Poll)

No mate I'm not in this video but I know a man who is...........................................don't we ?.

 

Nah that’s not him - he posted pics on another thread. He looks like Joey from Friends dad, and is rather well hung.

 

Some say I ought to be

 

A very rugged and handsome man no doubt...

 

What can I say

 

You almost sound pleased that we are a stuggling div 3 side shopping in the shit pool. Very strange.

 

There's a lot of that with City fans.

I don't think Fordy is necessarily the most eloquent or rational in the way he puts his points across but he does have some valid arguments.

There is an acceptance of ''well, we are what we are and that's that' but there's no reason that cannot change. There's also a fundamental fear of debt within our fanbase. We are apparently the only club that must live within its means and that's not only tiring but hugely limits our potential. Debt isn't a bad thing, it makes the world go round, but it has to be planned and manageable and certainly not in the credit card binge way Edin has left us in a mess.

I just find our collective acceptance of our 'lot' both frustrating and tiresome.

 

I can't believe we repeatedly have the same debate at an incredibly simplistic level with some acting as if ticket income is the only income. You have to allow for commercial revenue (catering, club shop sales, sponsorships, etc.) which has been said previously are of roughly the same magnitude as ticket income and proportional to bums on seats . Let's do a comparison with some assumed numbers that are guessed to be ball park but far from exact.

We got nearly 15k sold at £169. Let's guess we would sell 10k at £300 or 16k at £150. Assume an average £240k/£120 to cover concessions and ticket revenue would be £2.4m at 10k and £1.92m at 16k. If commercial revenue was about £1.5m last year, it would fall to £1.0m for 10k and rise to £1.6m for 16k. Add ticket and commercial together and you get £3.4m for 10k and £3.52m for 16k. 16k at £150 generates slightly more revenue than 10k at £300. (The higher crowd also makes you slightly more likely to get picked for extra TV revenue.) Even if you sell 11k at £300, that is £2.64m ticket + £1.1m commercial, so £3.74m total. That's only about 6% more than 16k might generate. I don't think you'd actually manage 11k at £300 however I do think you might get more than 16k at £150k if you can generate a feel-good factor. We surprised ourselves in the past with the level ticket sales when we did so.

Now these numbers are probably not even accurate to +/- 10% but they highlight that upping ticket prices could lead to lower revenue or gains that would probably not amount to much. Revenues might be similar but atmosphere would undoubtedly be worse at £300, making the club less of a draw for TV and new players, particularly talented young ones . It's great that the club has reduced the adult price to £150 yet some are moaning. I think Rhodes knows what he is doing. It worked before. Why shouldn't it work again? The players are trying again and Hopkin has signed some decent players who will help form a high-tempo, pressing and passing midfield that will help take the pressure off the defense. I'm hopeful it will get better to watch as spells of hoofball lessen and we play it on the floor more. It will suit Doyle more that way and there will be more goalscoring capability in the team. If we do stay up, or even if we go down, I'm beginning to see something that could be built on - unlike during the Rahic era that is now fading. I'm not saying for a minute we're about to start making loads of money but I still hope good times can return with a fair wind and that's more likely if we take the new ticket deal positively and spread the word.

 

So come on let us know Broncs just in case I bump into him in Queeny so I can say hello!!

 

And?

Fans have 2mths to sort the money out? Really? I’m sure they’ve had since last year to start saving, if that’s how they afford it. How many pay days since last June?

 

Promotion! I expect the F A cup as well for my £150.

 

Sounds like you know who he is .

 

People moaning about season tickets saying they are too cheap or too expensive and they'll still end up buying one anyway.

The fact is they are cheap and we should all support OUR club and buy one!

 

Thanks @Aleman for your excellent analysis of the finance, and why we should support the club with their launch of the season ticket. It looks like we have an income of approximately £3.5 mill. This is a decent budget. We all want promotion, but we may have to wait.

 

There was no way of predicting that next year's season tickets would come with some sort charge or tarrif system, unfortunately.

Absolute bolt from the blue this. A real sucker punch.

 

Wouldn't mind a small increase say £10 after that though.

 

Renewed, just in case @Park bantam was worried I was sending the club into bankruptcy by a boycott I stopped in November. Thought it best to keep you all updated.

 

Some good points, particularly like that some are prepared to stand up and say they don't like the status quo, regardless of ST prices. We are a crappy long term underachieving 3rd divsion club, wow, we've come a long way since I started going when we were, er...................we should reflect our fanbase and change our name to Bradford Can't Do FC......with a flatline for a badge.

FFS a customer wanting a ticket still has to go to VP twice or queue forever just to give the business money to get in! I've not experienced that at several far smaller clubs this season. Alemans long post didn't rock me at all, boring, we'll be like this forever then?

Cheap ST's are great, I support them, but is that it? Really, where is the imagination? We could AND SHOULD sell out VP and there are fans in and out of Bradford with money, the local ST fanbase (generally) comes from the "better" BD postcodes areas. Why are we selling those fans ST's for less than they might spend on a Saturday night out? If somebody offered me a direct debit ST whereby I paid for successful results then I'd happily pay £25 per game and I and others would sign up for it.

 

Good man @WilsdenBantam, you can stand easy now knowing you have done your part .