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Sack the manager

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Rcbantam, Aug 24, 2019.

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Is it time for Bowyer to go....

  1. yes

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  2. no

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  3. dont know

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  1. Faithful Bantam

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    I was told this weeks ago, from someone I trust and know to be connected - and I've heard similar from elsewhere - our coaching focuses almost entirely on defensive shape, set pieces and opposition threats. Not much technical work and even less around building patterns of play. And players are starting to question certain methods and tactics. I dont think players dislike Bowyer, but the methods seem outdated. Now, there might be the usual scepticism around 'ITK', but I'd simply point to performances. Its laid bare.

    Reeves was awful today and has been getting worse. When he came back, he looked very good. He should be getting better, not worse. Same with many of them. Is anyone improving under Bowyer? I dont see it. I see many who arent performing as expected, and who seem to be getting worse.
     
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  2. Petrov

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    It is when they are hoping for 20k!
     
  3. Mitchelldownie

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    It will be interesting to see if any of the players comes out with the usual toadying stuff about we’re letting the manager down and it’s up to us to put it right. I don’t follow twitter and the like but I suppose that’s where it would be done if they were behind their manager.
     
  4. Andy10

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    Players have come in and initially looked good - Cooke, Reeves, Pritchard to name 3. They’ve all got increasingly worse since Bowyer has started coaching them. It’s not a coincidence in my opinion. Drained the life out of them.
     
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  5. bantam2708

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    I should probably have said managed twice.
     
  7. Mitchelldownie

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    In answer to your question: Dpyle, Wood, O’Donnell IMO.
     
  8. Fordy117

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    Bet the lads can't wait as they're in for extra training tomorrow.

    @Bronco@Bronco what time you think it will start? Rhodes ever down there?
     
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  9. Foghornleghorn

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    That clip sums it up tactically inept management.
     
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  10. Keefly Bantam

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    Ha ha "training".
     
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  11. Melbourne Bantam

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    Just watched the video clip, fecking idiot's.... I was screaming at my mobile "get it up the fecking pitch"

    Fire the *@?$ in the morning, Bowyer is making us look bloody stupid.

    Warnock and McCall would be both smart move.
     
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  12. QCFC BANTAM

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    I know what it takes to get out of this league...pace, strength and power...isn't that what Bowyer said? We have 1 with pace but no end product...struggling to find the strength and power in that squad to be honest - that's what we lack. The two smallest men on the pitch win headers in our box and we were out fought all game.
     
  13. JonButterfield

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    That's the most embarrassing shit I've seen in quite some time.

    What the actual...
     
  14. QCFC BANTAM

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    You don't even go though these days do you? You decided to go watch loads of non league teams instead...
     
  15. QCFC BANTAM

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    No, all about ball retention, keeping the ball, dribbling, skills in the Foundation phase these days. Being comfortable with the ball at your feet and keeping possession of it. Foundation phase is 5 - 11.
     
  16. JonButterfield

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    My thinking also.

    It's too easy to say players are crap because the team is crap - last season's players weren't crap, but the TEAM was most certainly one of the worst ever - what a ridiculous cluster of players all virtually identical - this season, the players aren't crap, but the tactics are dreadful.

    In reply to @abbomf@abbomf's post, I'd like someone to name which Plymouth players would get in our team?
     
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    I don't mind the trying to play it out from the back element - how many of us/you knocked him for going long and playing 'hoofball'? Loads, so you can't have it both ways!! But it is too slow and predictable and 1 player (Maynard?) managed to close down 4 of our back 5 in the space of 30 seconds - that is what we are missing!! Desire, passion, effort, work rate!! We don't impose ourselves on teams at all, we don't put them under pressure at all!! We are so PASSIVE it is unbelievable. We knocked Akpan for just 'jogging' around to try and get a tackle but it's not just him, it's the whole team at times. Remember last season when we were knocking Josh and we got JO'B, and he made more tackles in 20 seconds than Wright and Akpan for the whole season? It's exactly the same again this season. We have no bite, we are 'powder puff' and teams have got us sussed out. We are light weight. Abbo said on the radio and Parky has said it before - you have to earn the right to play football by winning the physical battles all over the pitch, that gives you the ball and time and space to play!!
     
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  18. JonButterfield

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    The problem that clip shows is what we've known for a while - the defence gets the majority of the ball, the defence takes responsibility for almost all of our play, the defence is the reason we have high possession stats when we're absolutely outplayed, and the defence is TERRIBLE on the ball.

    This is absolutely by Bowyer's design, and the reason the midfield have spent the entire season giving it back to the defence.

    This tactic has actually worked out okay at home, where teams come to defend and have little intention of closing down our defenders (hardly any teams come and push that high), but it's getting found out now.

    It's a stupid ploy, and it's all down to Bowyer.
     
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  19. Fordy117

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    Mate, I knew he was the wrong appointment for the club it was clear.

    He came in a made no difference what so ever. Rhodes was talking about us having 11 games to play to stay up etc etc. The man for that was Steve Evans as the players and whole club needed a kick up the behind to sort itself out. Anyway, Bowyer comes in and Rhodes gives his mate Bowyer a 2 year contract based on failure. I saw nothing to suggest how we would play. I saw no footballing identity from him.

    People laughed when I said we needed a Nolan or Kewell as manager, I think I even said I would get Stephen Warnock in. The reason I was suggesting these names is I believe these players need someone to look up too. They're weak but if player had been there done that, played at the highest level it would give them hope.(think Wellens if you want) It would inspire them. Stephen Warnock hammered our training at the school and I have never seen @wetherbywhaler@wetherbywhaler on here fast enough. Warnock is right. A club like Bradford City shouldn't be training at a bloody school. A person like Warnock would be telling Rhodes to tell Rupp what is required and the players would respect that. It's about having aims.

    Anyway, we roll on. Bowyer who's CV isn't great and normally is on rolling contracts, talks about Blackpool a lot was happy to accept Drury as his number 2. Do you think Evans or Warnock would of done that? Drury is one of the problems at the club. He Is the common denominator of our failure! It's no shock rumours of the players hating training under Drury and Bowyer. For Bowyer to accept Dury as his number 2 highlighted to me he was just happy to be in a job. We don't need a manager just wanting a pay day. We want a winner! Not a manager just trying not to lose.

    Then the loan deal for Doyle to Swindon. I heard Bowyer saying he didn't want Doyle to go etc ok, this is your top scorer in div 1 and we're letting him go to Swindon who are in the top 10 teams points gained in 2019 in the country? They will be a rival. Bowyer was weak! That deal highlighted the lack of footballing knowledge in the club. Doyle goes on to score 23 goals for Swindon who now sit top of the league. Power and Jewell must of been laughing at Bradford City and Rhodes. You do deals like this in Jan not when you know the make up of the league not the start of the season.

    The club is weak from top to bottom and hates to be challenged on and off the pitch. The Reeves situation is an embarrassment. The man comes back, named captain and is shocking.

    Rhodes seems not to want anyone that will challenge him.

    We can't blame Edin now, it's Rhodes, Rupp and Bowyer!

    Bowyer needs to leave as he's killing the club, Rhodes needs to decide if he's taken the club as far as he can and Rupp needs to think about selling at a major loss because it's not working out for him.

    Managers would love to work with our squad. Bowyer is failing massively and needs to be sacked now. He can't even get the best out of a 23 goals man. He's done! Finished. An extremely poor manager! Fans have had enough of him no matter what. The relationship just isn't working. He's not connecting with the fans no matter what he says and his football is utter sh&te.

    We need to plan and we need an identity. We need our Bradford City back!
     
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  20. YungNath

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    Don't care how good Evans is, mans a sex offender and was convicted of getting his tackle out in front of one of our own staff members. Are you saying that's the kind of person we want at the club, whether he gets results or not? Surely we can find a good manager that isn't a fecking pervert. 100000% would never support the club again if we employed him and that's after some of the other colourful characters we've had in our employ over the years.


    The thing that now really annoys me about bowyer is that he's brought some seriously good footballers to the club, yet is coaching the life out of them. To me its another sign Drury has to go, all he's ever known is failure in his professional career and for us not to get rid is stupid. One of the reasons we were so poor last year is the players looked unfit, disorganised and poorly motivated. Those are all coaching issues to me and Drury is the only one that seems to have gotten away with no repercussions, despite being an integral part of last years coaching team. I've been in the Drury out camp a long time now and he needs to get on his bike and back to sunday football.

    The Doyle deal was damned if you do and damned if you don't. I am willing to bet my shithole flat that not a single soul on here would have predicted the season Doyle had with Swindon before he went, and the flexibility it gave us in bringing others in made it as good a deal as you could expect at the time. I also said to me old man Doyle is gonna cost Bowyer his job either way, as hes gonna come back and Bowyer will inevitably not get the best out of him or he'll stay and fire Swindon to promotion most likely at our expense knowing the luck we have.


    I wasn't for sacking Bowyer and still lean on keeping him, but by god hes got his work cut out now to keep me on side. We don't even look defensively good anymore so now he's got nothing.
     
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