Rupp & Sparks Out?

Sorry Jon, it’s Sparks job to give the OWNER a plan..

Other than Stockport glossy “ plan” can you find a fully published proper EFL club plan.

I don’t mean a “ Mission Statement “ I mean a proper business/ football plan, covering for simplification , Short , Medium and Long Term .

Have an easy start….supply Grimsby’s perhaps, I’d be happy to read it , as I’m sure would many others?

 

Checking your email spam folder and appointing a belated second choice after your first choice binned you off doesn't count then Jon?

 

Can this thread be renamed "Mansour/ Barber in"? It will help highlight the problem with this debate.

 

Sorry Jon perhaps I am misunderstanding your comment

“ It’s Ryan’s job to give US a plan”

MKD don’t have one either, because they wouldn’t have employed Alexander in the first place if they had a football succession plan , remember he was only in charge for 16 games. The first half dozen he won M of the M !

 

No it doesn’t, you are spot on. They “talk” about them of course but they are never “ seen” . Probably 70 clubs in the EFL are more focused on paying the bills and wondering where the next £ is coming from.

 

Absolutely

Remember why I said plans are never published even if they do exist…

“ No scrutiny, no responsibility and no accountability.”

Gone full circle , I think?

 

I'm sure there are other clubs out there with (a plan) but one of the few I know who made it open knowledge and a success were Brentford who had a plan based on a new recruitment structure using a mixture of traditional scouting and other tools including mathematical modelling.
There's no doubt with regards Brentford it has worked even though it meant at the time having to accept that Manager Mark Warburton and Assistant Manager David Weir would be leaving Griffin Park.

The first post in this thread is an interesting read.

https://griffinpark.org/forums/threads/club-statement-and-the-future-plans-for-brentford-fc.115312/

 

Their kind of plan needs football intelligence from the top down, kind of rules us out

 

Thanks Dave , I’ll have a read.

 

Interesting but not a lot of detailed substance of what the plan actually is .
The ONE definite principle is the man , Mark Warburton, who delivered attractive football, which is a joy to watch , will be sacked.
The guy talking about the plan is a £billionaire , who is responsible to nobody other than himself.
One thing IS clear, he’s funded the club very very well and ultimately recruited a first class German manager. On that basis he could say his spending and organisational plan has worked and paying dividends for sure.
Without the spending , it wouldn’t have developed imho. Remember Dave most clubs getting out of the CC have to spend their way out , and more importantly spend even more to stay in the prem.

Since that “plan” was announced they have spent a grand total of £230m in transfer fees. Small fry compared to some but………,not to be sniffed at.

 

Can't agree on that. At City the set up is that once appointed GA oversees the football side of things the rest is down to the CEO, in our case Sparks, and until we start getting promoted! I don't see any reason to change that. Okay Milton Keynes owners wanted a certain style of football, personally from early indications I don't have a problem with GA's style of football. The style of football I demand of GA is the style of football that gets us promoted, a longer term plan is for later.

 

The problem is our owner is neither a billionaire or is he interested in spending/wasting any of his wealth. We can rant on as much as we like about Sparks's soundbites, lack of experience or direction but I should imagine the only plan he gets from Rupp is to try and get a manager to get us promoted which will protect his investment and so make the club more attractive to any potential buyers.

 

That's cruel, a man who has a quoted wealth of £100,000,000 can't be a mug , but I get your point, when I first heard of it someone quoted the film "Money Ball" I thought it was doomed to fail but fair does to Matthew Benham and those involved at Brentford, at times it must have tested everyone's patience but its proving to be the right plan going forward.

 

I agree with you're comments overall just commenting not many clubs have a "plan" and make it known to people outside the club.
'Obviously at the time Warburton didn't fancy it and was not prepared to risk him job going forward and prefered to leave but in Brentford case its proved to be the right call.

 

Bentham is an owner that most clubs could only dream of having. Has pretty much guaranteed that Brentford will be either a top flight club or one that, if it does get relegated will more than likely bounce straight back up due to having a genuine plan in place for his club. His wealth is based on data crunching and risk management, but yes also clever enough to know how to equate that to football. The data approach is pretty much now mainstream throughout football even down to the lower levels, the trick is knowing how to use the data. It's how they ended up with the likes of Ollie Watkins and Ivan Toney within their ranks. Can be done with any club, but that's why I always stress the most important factor to your success as a club is your owner. It's why we were so successful under BFG until he lost his marbles. Difference in long term between BFG and Matthew Benham though is the long term of Brentford is financially secure due to him having that plan.

 

Spot on David.

 

Absolutely , like it or not , one way or another, the owner is responsible for the brief . Sparks is employed to carry it out. Rupp has the best of all worlds in all honesty ..He gets no local flak, protects his asset and spends little. So one might say Rupps “plan” IS working. Sadly the football bit if the plan isn’t matching the financials. If only it were to , we would be delighted and he would likely find a buyer?